trey
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Alaska 737 [Corrected: MD-83] Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 9:52 am

check the news.
jtmpd 737 alaska airlines crashed off coast of calif.
on it way from mexico.
check web and news for update.
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 9:58 am

It's true, unfortunately. MSNBC has details pending. Dear god! This is most distressing on top of the African Airbus A310....

Neil Harrison
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:02 am

Damn...another one....not a good way to start the year. Let's start the prayers again.
BTW, isn't this the first crash for AS?
If anyone gets the reg #, please post it.
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:02 am

MSNBC reports that the jet has crashed upside-down.

Something major must have happened, because those Alaskan pilots are very highly trained (to standards above most other airlines). They go in and out of the most hostile terrain known to man.

I doubt there's any survivors.

Neil Harrison
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Bruce
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:03 am

Yes, indeed a 737 has gone down.

27 miles northwest of LAX.

Coming from Puerta Vallarta, mexico

A big oil slick in the water is all that remains....


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Dazed767
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:03 am

It's an MD-80 or 737. Off the coast of Santa Barbara, there is a trail of oil where it could of possibly went down.
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:05 am

Could possibly be an MD-80. Alaska usually flies those to Mexico.
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:05 am

it is Flight 261
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:07 am

They are showing debris on MSNBC. I was just told that CNN confirmed it as an MD-80 that went down.
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:11 am

The news has just said that the plane was an MD-80 and they say it may have had mechanical probs.
 
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Flt 261

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:13 am

the trip shows AS 261 as an md 80+ from LAX to SFO, and that it hasn't yet taken off... this is as of 8:09 eastern
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:14 am

I hope the cause is not what I think it is, the RUDDER? If it is, this is going to be a MASSIVE BLOW to BOEING!!!!! Everyone is going to run to Airbus for the A320.
 
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RE: Alaska MD-80

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:15 am

It was an MD-80 look at flightracke.com I coreccting KCAL 9 just know.
Iain
 
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RE: Flt 261

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:16 am

CBS News broke in at 8:12PM EST to say it was flt 261 not 264 as originally reported; a B 737 form Puerta Vallata to SFO crashing 27 miles NW of LAX producing an oil slick and debris but no survivors or bodies as yet.
Details are still sketchy.
Regards,
Mark
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:17 am

Foxnews.com is reporting it as a 737 upside down about 27 miles north of lax. The AS website does have it as an MD-80. The flight was # 261. This is a most tragic way to begin a new year and century. God bless them .....
 
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Asked To Land In LAX

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:19 am

The MD-80 had mechinal problems, and asked to land in LAX. The trip.com said it was arriving at 5:29pm pst.
 
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Asked To Land At LAX

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:21 am

The MD-80 asked to land at LAX. It was having mechanical problems. The trip.com said it was arriving at SFO at 5:29pst.
 
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Alaskas Web Site

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:23 am

I cannot access Alaska's web site. I also tried Horizon air, because it has a shortcut to AS. Both were "timed out". Anyone else having this problem?
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:24 am

Just heard on WGN the FAA confirmed the crash happened at 3:45 Pacific Standerd Time on its way from i believe Porta Viogra Mexico to SFO

thanks
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MattD

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:31 am

I got on but it is so busy with trafiic!
Iain
 
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RE: Ianhol

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:32 am

Thanks for the heads up.
Take care
Matt
 
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It Was An MD-80

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:35 am

I was just watching CNN (they have their 'Breaking News' program on) and the FAA confirmed that it was an MD-80. I don't know why everyone thought it was a B737. I will keep watching CNN and post anything new.
 
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Recent Incident W/Alaska

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:36 am

A few weeks ago an Alaska MD-80 had to return to Seatac after blowing out an engine. I don't know what happened exactly, but the pilot said that he just shut the engine down and turned around. Witnesses on the ground said they saw sparks shooting out of the engines after hearing a loud bang.
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:37 am

I have been an AS passenger for 25 years, and intend to for another 25. Its really horrible that this happened. Imagine...all those vacationers on board.
I may have known people on the plane...I am anxiously awaiting more news.

I am really still in shock...perhaps I'll have more to say later...
 
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RE:NO Confirmation Of A/C Type

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:40 am

I cannot confirm the aircraft, the only source stating it is an MD-80 is CNN, when the story broke ABC announced it was a 747, the BBC, ABCnews.com says it was a 737, MSNBC says it was a 737, what does Sabre say?

Peter
 
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More Details...

Tue Feb 01, 2000 10:50 am

All of our channels are telling us that it is an MD-80, however there are no pictures of the actual aircraft in the water.

The craft went down off by Oxnard by Pt. Magoo [?]. It dropped from the radar at 17,000 feet, and had no radio contact.

Say a little prayer...

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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 11:02 am

70 people on board bodies recovered no survivors.
Alaska airlines has confirmed it to be a MD-80
Crew reported emercency landing a LAX the radar read them at 11,000 ft and then went off the radar scree.

Flying_727
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RE: More Details...

Tue Feb 01, 2000 11:04 am

When I looked at our res computer at CO, it showed flt 261 operated as a MD80.
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 11:18 am

For info only:

Alaska has 36 MD-80 series aircraft (split between the -82 and -83). Of these 36, 4 were a product of their buyout of Jet America back in the 80's.

The oldest was delivered on 11/3/81, the newest on 5/27/97.

Our prayers are with those guys.

Tom in NO
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RE: Alaska 737 [Corrected: MD-83] Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 12:01 pm

MSNBC has confirmed that it was an MD-83 that went down at Pt. Mugu CA. It was NOT a 737!!!!
 
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Here's A Pic Of The Plane

Tue Feb 01, 2000 12:01 pm


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A Sad Start For The New Century

Tue Feb 01, 2000 1:30 pm

very sad start indeed.

my sympathy goes to the family who lost their relatives.
 
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A Strange Turn Of Events!

Tue Feb 01, 2000 2:05 pm

I was just thinking about this--

I remember a few months back that AS was under a lot of scrutiny for their maintainence procedures/log keeping (??) for several of the 36 MD-80's in their fleet.

Coincidentally, could this MD-83 (N963AS) have been one of those MD-80's in question--?

FLY777UAL
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Down

Tue Feb 01, 2000 4:15 pm

I saw the plane (N963AS) at SFO in late December when I was going on a flight. Was this the same plane that went down? I feel so so sorry for the relatives and friends of the passengers on the flight.

-WiL SW737
 
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RE: A Strange Turn Of Events!

Wed Feb 02, 2000 2:05 am

Yes, there was/is a FAA probe into Alaska's record keeping. Referring to the probe, John Kelly, chairman and CEO of Alaska Airlines said today on CBS-TV's 'The Early Show" said that the plane involved in the crash "was the subject of no investigation whatsoever."

 
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RE: Alaska 737 [Corrected: MD-83] Down

Wed Feb 02, 2000 3:34 am

The news said thsat the plane had just been checked last Sunday.
I was wondering: wasn't the TWA800 also checked the day before it crashed near Long Island? If so, could there be a link between the maintenance and the crashes?
Here, they are talking about stabilisators' not working on the flight to SFO, asked for landing in LAX and nothing else on the radio after that.
 
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Alaska MD-93 And Airbus A-310

Wed Feb 02, 2000 1:11 pm

IT'S VERY SAD WHEN ANY AIRCRAFT CRASH KILLING PERSONS WICH PAY THEIR DREAMED VACATION, OR FOR VISITING RELATIVES. I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS THINGS HAPPENED, BECAUSE I THINK ANY AIRPLANE IS REVISED, CHECKED, TESTED AND VERIFIED JUST BEFORE TAKE OFF. IS IT HUMAN ERRORS? FADEC COMPUTER BUGS (I DON'T KNOW IF MD-83 POSSESSES FACEC OR COMPATIBLE SYSTEM)?, MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS OR SIMPLY DESTINY THINGS?

GREETINGS FROM PUERTO RICO BY HYUNDAI SCOUPE
 
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RE: Alaska MD-93 And Airbus A-310

Fri Feb 04, 2000 7:11 am

They found the voice recorder. It looks like the plane went inverted before it crashed! I'm sure the g-forces experienced by the poor souls inside the plane must've been pretty high.
 
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Actual Photo Of AS261 Inverted?

Fri Feb 04, 2000 7:24 am

ABC World News Tonight yesterday (2FEB) showed an enhanced amateur photo taken on the beach at the moment of the incident. A shadowy figure appears to be the inverted jet off-shore about 10 miles, and only 2000-3000 feet above the ocean. Has anyone seen this photo posted to any web-site?

The FDR has also been retreived during the noon hour PST today (3FEB).
Better than most, not as good as some.
 
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RE: Actual Photo Of AS261 Inverted?

Fri Feb 04, 2000 10:14 am

Haven't seen it...but it would be very interesting. I wonder if anyone has ever photographed a crashing (or about to crash) jetliner.
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RE: On ABC News Again 3FEB/ Am And PS

Fri Feb 04, 2000 10:26 am

The same photo was shown tonight on ABC World News, this time enlarged, but very grainy from the distance.

I've seen a couple over the years--AeroMex D9 inverted over Cerritos CA after a mid-air with a GA, and PSA 727 over San Diego after mid-air with a GA (circa 1977-Time magazine). Starboard leading edge destroyed and wing in flames. The calmest CVR ever of a true aviation professional, when the pilot radioed, "We're not going to make the field. Call the equipment for us."
Better than most, not as good as some.
 
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RE: In-process Crash Pictures

Fri Feb 04, 2000 11:36 am

I have seen a picture of a BOAC (pre British Airways) 707 with just stubs of its wings left, in a spin, after being torn off in clear air turbulence near Mount Fuji. The photo was from the early 60s. Unfortunatley it is not my own picture (and I cannot post it) but I will look for the site where it was originally posted and post a link if I can find it.
 
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RE: Actual Photo Of AS261 Inverted?

Fri Feb 04, 2000 1:58 pm

In "Air Disasters" there are a couple of horrifying pictures of AA 191 from '79 in Chicago. An amateur took the photos from ORD parking lot. The first photo shows the DC-10, engine #1 missing, leaning to the left. The second photo shows the horrendous explosion after impact. To this day, that remains the deadliest crash in the U.S.
 
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Picture Of Boac 707 Crashing

Fri Feb 04, 2000 2:53 pm

As promised, the picture of the BOAC 707:

http://planecrashinfo.com/w660305.htm

Rather frightening. The wings look to be almost shorn off after the a/c entered a mountain wave, spinning out of control. Sad thing is that the pilot was trying to give his passengers a nice view of spectacular Mt. Fuji.

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