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C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:35 am

Everyone is always making such a big deal about the A380, and how large it's circumference is. Out of curiosity, is it any bigger than the C5 Galaxy? Also, keep in mind...the C5 galaxy is a true "double-decker". The C5 holds 72 passengers in it's upper deck.

Again, my question to a.netters is this:

We all make a big deal about the size of the A380. Airbus came out and touted their A380 as the first true "double-decker." But doesn't the aerospace community already have a true "double-decker" with the C5 Galaxy?
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:44 am

Aside from a fact that a simple websearch could have complished this for you[r lazy carcass], but anyways:

C5:

Length: 247.1ft
Wingspan: 222.9ft
Height: 65.1ft
MTOW: 840,000lbs



A388:

Length: 239.25ft
Wingspan: 261.7ft
Height: 79.6ft
MTOW: 1,235,000lbs

....with the exception of length, the A388 is significantly larger/heavier in other aspects  Big grin

[Edited 2004-04-01 22:46:40]
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:47 am

a simple websearch could do wonders for 90% of the questions asked on this forum. it's nice to hear other peoples opinions though. why do you think it's called a forum?

thanks for being a prick...
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:49 am

a simple websearch could do wonders for 90% of the questions asked on this forum. it's nice to hear other peoples opinions though.

um, pray tell, how exactly does anyone's opinion alter the fact that one bird's wings are wider than the other, etc?!  Laugh out loud

oh, and you're welcome for the answers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:50 am

I think the "big deal" made by Airbus is because the C-5 is a military plane, and you can't compare the two from a passenger perspective.
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:56 am

The A380 is bigger than the C-5A, in length, width, and circumference.
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:26 am

The A380 is bigger than the C-5A, in length, width, and circumference.

Man, reading does wonders.

The C-5 is about 8 feet longer...
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:31 am

OK, but would the A380 really the biggest plane built ever. Is it also bigger then the An-124 or 225?
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:35 am

It will be larger than An-124-100, but An-225 still beats it.

Also, An-124 is larger than C-5 by a bit and can carry more. Right now, this is how the planes line up size-wise -

An-225
An-124-100
C-5 Galaxy
747-400
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:54 am

I think the a380 will have a slightly smaller take off weight than the AN225. The A380-900 should beat it though.

Anyway. These big military aircraft are nowhere near the industrial accomplishment of the A380 (if it is successful and meets its specs). The C5 had huge flaws in its structure which led to reducing its payload. Only two AN225 have been built.

The A380 is supposed to be a viable, profitable and state of the art airliner. Not an inefficient piece of junk without competition, paid by the military like the two old birds.

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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:21 am

The A380 is supposed to be a viable, profitable and state of the art airliner. Not an inefficient piece of junk without competition, paid by the military like the two old birds.

Just to make it clear - the An225 is a success, it's an on demand vehicle, and there is really no need for more than 3 or so. Last Ihear the second one is BEING bult.

I don't see how the A380 will be profitable yet, the size isn't needed by airlines all that much, and numbers won't be high on this bad boy.

Anyway. These big military aircraft are nowhere near the industrial accomplishment of the A380

It's a failure so far. Not many orders, and it hasn't even flown yet. Plus, Military carriers are used for something other than sipping wine in first class. They're used for Big tow capability. This is almost like comparing the A330 with the 737-500.
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:33 am

Do me a favor, A380900. When that metal sausage that may make or break Airbus can airmail a couple AH-64s, or some M-1s, and in short airlift 3/4ths of the air cargo needed to run a war, come talk to me. Until then realize you're comparing apples and oranges and that both the AN-225 and the C-5 are very successful at what they do.
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:52 am

Wait for the A380-900, that will just be the biggest, longest, tallest......
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:53 am

It's a failure so far. Not many orders, and it hasn't even flown yet

So far its the most successful Airbus new-product launch ever, with over 120 orders and having not even flown.

Of course it hasn't flown yet, but it is ahead of schedule.

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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:03 pm

"OK, but would the A380 really the biggest plane built ever. "

I think the Spruce Goose is the biggest plane ever built, and flown.



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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:06 pm

I don't care what its MGTOW is, it can never beat the AN-225 IMO. That bird is ENORMOUS. The A380 looks short and stubby in comparison.
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 1:00 pm

Thats why I'm talking about the A380-900.
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 1:30 pm

To Vafi88:
You say the AN225 is a success but how do you think Antonov paid for the initial investment? By selling one plane? Or maybe by selling pictures of their aircrafts?
You say a second is being built. That's inaccurate. Another prototype which had never been completed or had been completed but then never really used is being restored.
You say the A380 is a failure... I don't think you can reach a verdict at this point. The fact that it is being built and that nobody would buy the stretch 747 is clearly a success for Airbus. I don't think people at Toulouse are disappointed by the sales figure. Of course, they still have to deliver but so far, they always have, I'm sure they will continue.

To Garnetpalmetto,
Well, it is sure that the A380 cannot do all this military stuff you're talking about... What I'm saying is that these two airplanes are not facing any competition. Their design is old. On the other hand, the A380 is state of the art and HAS to be more efficient than any other airliner built before if it is to be a success. Besides, the C5 has a limited payload today because of design flaws. I did not invent this.
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 1:40 pm

To Vafi88:
You say the AN225 is a success but how do you think Antonov paid for the initial investment? By selling one plane? Or maybe by selling pictures of their aircrafts?


To A380900:
The An225 is owned by Antonov Design bureau, and it does charters which pay for themselves. It was initially designed to carry the Buran (Russian Space Shuttle) and was paid by the space agency back then to design it specifically for the Buran.


My remark on the A380 wasn't that it's a complete failure forever, but that it hasn't flown yet and until it flies, not you nor I can judge that it's a complete success or a complete failure.
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 1:50 pm

You say the AN225 is a success but how do you think Antonov paid for the initial investment?

The same way Airbus paid for the their initial investment. With government money.

I rest my case.
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:58 pm

Yipes, should've read ConcordeBoy's post...
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:05 pm

The AN225 C-5 and A380 all preform or will preform a completely different task and therefore cannot be compard. Like others said you cant compare apples with oranges.
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:10 pm

Even 380-900 will not surpass An-225. Remember, An-225 is the only aircraft that does not fit into 80m by 80m gate space. A-389 has to.

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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 5:26 pm

I wondered about this, where is the limit between a WIG and an sea-plane,
which altitude? I consider the SG as a WIG?
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 5:37 pm

Alessandro, the Spruce Goose did not use ground effect, so it cannot be compared with the Ekranoplans.

Liquid, no offence man, but please use the spellcheck.

The A389 will be bigger than the Galaxy. What's the big thing about apples and oranges? Will it have a higher MTOW? Yes. End of story.

The fact that the A389 cannot fly ground vehicles or helicopters does not make it "less capable". If Airbus carved out a front door, this would not be a problem. Conversely, you could put seats all along the main deck of a Galaxy.

As for the two deck thing, IIRC the C-5 does not have an upper deck along the entire length, but I may be wrong.
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 5:41 pm

Starlionblue, do you know how high the SG flew?
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 5:49 pm

Starlionblue...nice catch on Liquids post, I didn't even catch ONE of those spelling errors the first time I read it...LOL
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 5:50 pm

an225,

the takeoff weight of an225 is 600000kg, takeoff weight of A380-800 550000kg.

Why is it so unreasonable that an a380-900 in the future might have a higher take off weight?
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:19 pm

Alessando. The Spruce Goose did not fly very high, but not because of technical limitations. It was doing a taxi run when Hughes took it up. There was nothing to stop it going higher.
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:51 am

don't see how the A380 will be profitable yet, the size isn't needed by airlines all that much, and numbers won't be high on this bad boy.

The A380 only needs 58% capacity to break even, assuming similar ticket prices to current airlines.
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:57 am

This sounds like a good topic for a new discussion. Imagine if passenger versions of C-5s had gone ahead; it would've meant disaster for Boeing since the 747 would have shut down Boeing if it failed........
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:22 am

C-5 as a passenger version sounds good on paper, but the plane is "too rugged". (Very) High mounted wings also mean slower turnaround (more stuff to check). It's just not optimized for that sort of operation.

Compare to the civilian C-17 that Boeing is trying to get interest in: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/pd/bc17x/index.html. No takers yet! A used 747F or DC-8 can do the same thing as a civilian transport. STOL characteristics are just so much extra weight if you're landing at AMS of ORD.
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:59 am

The C-5 could never be a commercial success because it cost too much, both in downtime to fix the myriad rundundant systems and in money (high engines hard to access, high tail, etc).

And Starlionblue, I personally suspect that the Goose was underpowered, although it did have double the wing area of the Bristol Brabazon and more power, and the Brabazon flew, didn't it? And the Goose managed to get off the water empty, but loaded it might've had difficulty.

I'm going to start a new thread about the large piston double decked aircraft. Stay tuned!
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:25 am

I have no doubt that the 380 will fly and be delivered. In terms of performance for the airlines I would be concerned about the increasing cost of fuel and it's impact on the 380's profitability - which is what really counts in the end and will determine the success of the 380.

While everyone seems to think that the 380 is an unbelievable technological achievement I tend to think of it as more of a risk that Airbus invested in. The fact that the 747 and other jumbos are 30+ years old is a good indication that the knowledge has been around for a long time and only new technologies have been added.

Airbus appears to have carried out some very good engineering, but (like Boeing) are dependent on the modern technologies of their suppliers for everything to come together. They are thus (like Boeing) more basic designers and assemblers who are taking a risk.

For me, unbelievable technological achievement refers to achievements like man walking on the moon (almost 35 years ago) or putting a rover on Mars. In comparison the 380 is just a plane.
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:35 am

The proposed L-500 civilian version of the C5-A would have carried up to 500 passengers on its' twin decks, handily exceeding the 747s of the time and now, as well as landing on shorter runways. But, as noted above, its' military need driven design would've been less than ideal for a passenger aircraft, especially due to those high-mounted wings. In view of the C5 program cost overruns and structural issues, especially with wing fatigue, it's just as well they never launched a passenger model. If it were still in production and not too costly per unit, there might be some demand for it as an outsize commercial freighter, like its' Russian counterparts. Just a 'what-if' scenario.
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:44 am

This thread is getting out of hand!!!!!!
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:47 am

I just remember a great article on the C-5 from Air & Space Magazine (a very classy publication) that mentioned just how much maintenance they required. It wasn't just the high wings, it was the very complex systems that might mean the difference between a crash and limping home in combat. Those systems went down all the time. It was not L-1011 reliability.
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:23 pm

Does anyone else find it funny that people are arguing about the performance and size of the A380-900... the second aircraft in a model line in which the first hasn't even been produced?
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:48 am

Even funnier that aircraft for very different missions, with very different designs from different decades, are being compared.
Rather like an ocean liner to a bulk cargo ship.
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:19 am

I agree with Solnabo, this thread is getting out of hand. It's getting too political.

Let's face it: on one side, you have the Americans that don't really want the biggest (usually an american term) plane ever built to be that successfull, just because it isn't US made.

And on the other hand you have the frenchman who says the An-225 and the C-5 are pieces of junk, while I believe they are both amazing achievements.

By the way, I will deviate from the subject a little and say that the C-17 is a superb aircraft to see perform in airshows.... just spectacular to see land and takeoff on such short distances and perform in the air like it does... WOW!!!

Come on people, airplanes are beautiful wether they are built on one side of the atlantic or the other... grow up!!

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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:20 am

The C5 is far superior than the A388. There is no comparison.
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:27 am

What is the comparison between the A380-500 and the Starship Enterprise? Could someone do a search for me?

[Edited 2004-04-03 23:31:50]
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:52 am

The C5 is far superior than the A388. There is no comparison.

thanks for that intelligent post.

Please also share which is better, the F-15 or the Boeing 717?
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:54 am

His respect rating is 37. Better listen to what he says!
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:40 am

RR of 37, does that mean anything outside this forum, for all I know people who have never seen a plane up close can have a rating here. Although by saying that I don't want to judge this guy, I'm not familiar with his previous posts.

But on this issue, he should know better than to compare a C-5 to a civilian airplane which hasn't even flown yet!!!  Yeah sure

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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:00 am

RR ratings don't even mean anything on this forum unless it is higher than 50 anyway.
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:24 am

Is that the half way to become god mark?
 
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RE: C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size

Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:58 am

"The A380 only needs 58% capacity to break even, assuming similar ticket prices to current airlines."

Says who? Airbus? It's interesting how often the phrase "break even" is used in the same sentence as A380.
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