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London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 2:46 am

I've just bought an incredibly cheap flight (IMO) from Heathrow to Sydney this July/ August on BA via SIN (back QF via BKK). It was cheaper than flying to the USA. Does anyone have advice for such a long flight? I have a two hour stop over in SIN (and BKK).

Thanks for any replies!
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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:39 am

I flew BA15 LHR-SIN-SYD a couple of years ago.

the flight takes off late evening in the UK, lands at dusk in SIN, takes off again from SIN in the dark, and lands at SYD at Dawn!

Confuses the mind! - but Sydney is such a wonderful city you'll soon wake up when you get there - I love the place.

For the Stop off at SIN, by the time you get off, you only have about 1 hour to walk around the airport, which isnt that much really. Just enough to have a good walk, stretch the legs, look at some shops, and then back to the plane.

My advice would be to sleep as much as possible!
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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:42 am

Sounds good to me! SIN is a bloody good airport for watching the planes, complete with two indoor spotting areas. I loved seeing 5 or 6 SQ 772s arrive one after the other in about 15 mins.  Wink/being sarcastic It's great seeing a line-up of QF beasts. Shame you've only got 2 hours in this absolutely fantastic airport.

How much did it cost, if you don't mind? Through which agent/site did you book it?
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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:47 am

If you have a minimum of 4 hours layover time in SIN, you can get a free
city tour in SIN. I did it 4 years ago, and it was quite nice!

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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:53 am

David, if you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay and where did you book the flight ? I'm planning on such a trip to visit a friend, so any help would be appreciated.
You will find my email on my profile, feel free to contact me.

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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:56 am

It is winter down under in july/august so it is maybe sale on tickets then???
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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:01 am

Was it a BA one day sale? I know it was April Fool's day yesterday but you could book LGW-BGI for £264 return (including taxes) for one day only to celebrate 50 years of BOAC/BA service to Barbados - the fare being that for a return in 1954! Was so nearly tempted.
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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:50 am

I've done that trip several times ESP-AUS. You'll love Sydney. My advice to avoid jet lag is not to go to sleep when you arrive but to wait until is night time over there. You'll find when you wake up the next day you will feel fresh.
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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:08 am

Arrive into SYD and straight to Bondi Beach - go on be a real pommie tourist! Plus gets the blood flowing and rid of the knots after such a long flight.
Have a fantastic trip.

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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 12:05 pm

Have a great trip & a good time in SYD!(You do realise that it's the middle of winter when your here, don't you?)

Tips for surviving the straight thru LHR-SYD horror:

Before flight:
1) A few days before your trip cut back on caffeine (this includes tea) and alcohol.
2) Bring a 500/600 ml plastic water bottle with you (this size is not too small/not too big)

Day of flight:
3) Get up at your normal time, eat lightly,but do not skip meals.
4) Get some exercise, at least. You want to be tired, but not exhausted when you arrive at LHR

In Flight:
5) Do not go straight to sleep! Its 14 hours to SIN. I assume BA will serve a snack & drinks after departure (QF do) have them and use them to kill time. Watch movie or listern to music for a awhile, then try and sleep.
6) Drink caffeine & alcohol very lightly, if at all. I find wine with meal/snack helps with sleep.
7) THE BIGGIE - use your water bottle!!! You need to drink between 0.5 to 1 litre of water per hour, depending on body mass. Do this and you will feel MUCH better after the flight. Down side of course is you spend more time in the loo.
8) Keep water bottle filled by FA's when possible (only ever had one object to filling the botle from their bottled water). When that is not possible, and there will be times when it is not, the QF 744's have a water fountain on the outside left hand side wall of the forward goup of toilets in Y. I assume the BA ones do too. One nice feature I have only seen on JAL, but I am told others do it too, is the trolley of drinks & snacks left outside the aft galley for self service on long overnight sectors. This makes keeping the water bottle full easy.
9) At the SIN/BKK transit stops - WALK as much as you can, get the blood flowing.
On arrival SYD:
10) Even tho it maybe 40 or so hours since your last real sleep DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES go to sleep before 6-7:00 pm. Get out in the sun shine, walk, be active. Do not take coach/train tours, you need to walk!
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I have found all this advice useful, but the two biggies are the water in flight and going to sleep at night local time.

(Looking forward to doing it again this Christmas!)
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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 12:22 pm

See if you can change the flight from Lon to Syd for QF 31 or 32 (this flight does operate via SIN) it leaves London about Midday and arrives into Sydney the following mid evening. They do say after such a long flight it is always best to arrive at your destination in the evening. This way you are getting used to your destination straight away (jet lag wise - time for bedtime). I find nothing worse than just coming off a 20 hour flight or so in the morning, any you are finding it very hard to stay awake for the rest of the day.

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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 2:06 pm

Why don't you break your journey and spend a couple of days in SIN? Many travellers do that on a long Europe-Australia flight. The time difference between SIN and SYD is only 2 hours so that should help you arrive fresh in Australia.
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RE: London To Sydney

Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:18 pm

Thanks for the advice! Sadly, I can't change my flight or build in a stopover simply because it was such a cheap ticket. I will drink plenty of water and go walking round the harbour though!
Thanks everyone,
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RE: London To Sydney

Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:27 am

If you get the change at any of your stopovers, have a shower if you possibly can - I have found it an amazing help on Europe-Australia trips, you just feel a bit human and refreshed afterwards.

Walking is good too - at BKK you don't have a choice, if you want to find the QF lounge its about a 2km walk from the QF gates !
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RE: London To Sydney

Sun Apr 04, 2004 2:27 pm

Why is there a stopover in SIN on the LHR to SYD flights? Is this to pickup pax or is it a necessary fuelstop even for a 744?

Any chance the new A345 might have the range for such a flight nonstop or would it need to stop for fuel as well?
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RE: London To Sydney

Sun Apr 04, 2004 2:36 pm

Aguilo - I will answer before you get flamed for that question!

LHR-SYD is a total of 17,000km or 9200nm which a 744 does have the range for, but most airlines operating this route would like to add some passengers and cargo also  Smile

As for the A345, I believe it would also be also be stretched to do this route (either for range or at a profit).
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RE: London To Sydney

Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:03 pm

Thanks Flykal. Didn't know that question would arise so many "passions" in people, thanks for the notice also.
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RE: London To Sydney

Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:28 pm

Flykal, I remember some discussions here on the forum, and it was said that todays' aircraft would be able to fly Australia to eastern Europe, but not western. Looking at http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/technical.html I can see that the range for the 747-400 is "only" 7260nm/13450km (7670nm/14205km for the 747-400ER). Anyway, I agree with you that airlines would like to add passengers and cargo on a stopover.


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RE: London To Sydney

Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:50 pm

"See if you can change the flight from Lon to Syd for QF 31 or 32 (this flight does operate via SIN) it leaves London about Midday and arrives into Sydney the following mid evening."

I would recommend that you do NOT take this advice. I have done the QF 32 twice, and never will again, for the following reasons:

1. The flight leaves LHR just before luch time, and arrives into SIN just over 12 hours later. Since your body clock will be on London time, you won't want to be getting much sleep on this sector, nor will anyone else. No matter how much they have tried to prepare for the flight, the body-clocks just won't allow it, who wants to go to bed at 5 or 6 in the evening? I certainly don't. So that leaves sleep until the next sector, which is the next problem...

2. The flight arrives into SIN first thing in the morning, where it disgorges quite a few passengers. It also takes on quite a lot of new passengers who want the daylight flight from SIN to SYD. These passengers have just had a good nights sleep, a hearty breakfast, and are in no mood to be quiet, they want the blinds open, they are talking and chatting and making lots of noise - just at exactly the same time that your LHR-SYD passengers are starting to want to sleep. Conflicts ensue (I have seen cabin crew breaking up near riots between through passengers and SIN-SYD passengers over this very issue).

In short, avoid this flight.

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RE: London To Sydney

Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:05 pm

Who wants to fly on the Australia - Europe route NON STOP?  Confused I'm guessing the flight time would be around 19-21 hours?  Confused
I remember flying to Europe in 1999 QF005 SYD-SIN and then LH SIN-FRA (I can't recall the flight number). At the end of the journey your legs just feel like they are about to collapse under you!

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RE: London To Sydney

Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:19 pm

Try wearing a plaster-of-paris cast on your leg and see if you can get an upgrade (LOL), 'cause in cattle-class, QF don't give a...

Please don't be offended anyone, it's just based on my experiences with QF between business and economy.

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RE: London To Sydney

Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:27 pm

EK413 I DO!

It should be about 19 hours flying time, assuming a near great circle route, saving about 3.5 hours, and you save the 1.66 hours on the ground. (The time saved from not decending from FL390 to ground and back up is counted in the flying time.)

There by saving about 5 hours. Well worth it in my opinion.

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RE: London To Sydney

Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:25 pm

I've done this trip many times (well, LHR-MEL - but the principles are the same!!) - and as with most things, I'm going to contradict the advice you've already been given.

Get yourself down to Boots in the afternoon and have a friendly chat with the pharmacist. Get a pack of the strongest antihystamines they'll sell you.

First off: don't arrive at LHR too early. BA will only open check-in a maximum 3hrs prior to your flight. Register with BA.COM and get your seat pre-allocated (you can do this 12hrs prior to check-in if you're a registered user - even if you're not a frequent flyer). Get yourself an aisle seat. There's nothing worse than having to squeeze past some geezer who's zonked a couple of times per night (believe me, there's a lot of 'night' to be flown!) Get y'self zonked and they won't want to bother you.

Departure from LHR will be followed by the drinks trolley (when they'll also hand out wine for dinner). Grab all you can. Pop your antihystamine just as they're starting to serve dinner. Gargle the grog. An hour or so after dinner you will start to sleep - and probably wake 6 hrs out of Singapore. Play with the IFE.

You'll only get 90mins on the ground at SIN and BA tend to use Gate 22 (or close to it, so it's about a 10min walk to the centre of the terminal. Typically, boarding will be called 30mins before actual boarding starts - SIN authorities tend to like to herd everyone together before commencing boarding. Just make sure you're back in the departure area 20mins before the plane is due to leave.

Now here's the real pisser: you'll depart SIN in the dark and it'll be dark right through to SYD - but your body will be telling you it's party time. Ignore it. Dinner will be served soon after departure, again God bless the antihystamines. This time pop two and two bottles of red. You'll sleep (just!).

Arrive in SYD at some unearthly hour in the cold glare of strip-lights. Drop your stuff whereever you're staying. Shower (you'll need it!!).....and head on out for the rest vof the day. Believe me, you'll sleep soundly enough come 6pm!!

Going back is so much easier. QF to BKK you'll arrive evening. After departure from BKK, you'll be served dinner. Follow the routine as before, but as it's now 2am SYD time, you'll have no problems sleeping. You'll probably wake somewhere over the middle East with 5hrs to go to LHR. Stay awake. Again, you'll touch down early morning - just hit the floor running and don't give in until early evening.

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Above all: enjoy Sydney - it's a great city (though not as "nice" as Melbourne!!)


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