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Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:53 am


I hope this thread has not been posted before. We know Mike Bannister has been the yougest captain on concorde (28 if I´m correct). Now, who has been the youngest captain on a 747 (and what age)?

B747skipper, maybe you could give us a hand with this one!!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:02 am

Youngest female (B747) Captain
Jamile Costa (Atlas Air) at the age of 30

That is what i found. But no male.

 
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:05 am

Well, well,well, 30 is not bad at all, isnt it? thanks bofredrik!

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:07 am

If i'm correct..

I believe it's a British Airways pilot.. I remember that he's from Wales in the UK.. but I can't remember his name!

I could be wrong!

Anyway!

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:09 am

And the youngest B747 F/O?
 
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:09 am

I know a Captain at Atlas Air who was about 28 when he moved to the left seat a couple of years ago. (I also know the above-mentioned female Capt.)
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:10 am

"I remember that he's from Wales in the UK"

My housemate - who's offically from England but has lived in Wales for 25+ years and speaks fluent Welsh - at uni always says that scientists and all the good people originate (or their families) in Wales. Looks like you're the same.  Big grin Just kidding.

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:11 am

Chema:

I don´t have the answer, but what I do know is this: be very wellcome to A.net forums!!!

Amigo: bienvenido!!

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:26 am

I remember back in the 80's TWA had a guy that made 747 Captain at 26. He was a real mover and a shaker until he got involved in the drug trade. IIRC, he was fired from TWA and executed gangland style in some sleazy, no-tell motel a few years later. I think even 60 minutes or 20/20 did a story on him.
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:29 am

BTW FYI the Skipper had a note in his profile saying he refused to post until the "SKipper 747SP" thread is reinstated, but he's changed that now.
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:43 am


Gracias Henpol!

Another question:

What about the older?
 
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:46 am

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:52 am

About the oldest I´m not sure, but the captain that was flying the United 747 that had an inflight cargo door explosion (with 9 pax sucked out of the aircraft) in HNL retired a couple of years after the accident in his well late sixties!! Anybody to confirm this?
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:57 am

I do not have any specifics about "the youngest captain" on 747.
I would say in the 27-29 bracket could be possible.
I knew a check captain (747 instructor/examiner - who was 36)
That was with Evergreen Airlines.
xxx
Realize that you must be 23 to hold an ATPL licence.
That is the licence required to be a captain with an airline.
So that would be the youngest age for any captain (any type aircraft).
xxx
I remember Continental Airlines late 1960s...
They had some pilots 21 and 22 unable to be captain, because of age.
Also heard the same story about PSA...
xxx
Now, you can be a private pilot at 18... right...?
If your daddy is filthy rich, he can offer you a PPL + type rating on a 747.
That still counts as "captain 747"...
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:17 am

At the rate "VSGirl" was going, she was on track to become the youngest 747 captain...  Smile
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Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:30 am

Henpol747

...We know Mike Bannister has been the yougest captain on concorde (28 if I´m correct)....

No, we don't know that, because it isn't correct.

Nor, to be fair to him, has he ever claimed to be.

He was the youngest co-pilot in BA ever to qualify on Concorde, but he was not the youngest Captain.

He left the fleet after several years, to take his first command on another aircraft type, and didn't return to Concorde as a Captain until later in his career, ending up as BA's Chief Concorde Pilot.

The British tend to use the word pilot in a general sense, meaning any pilot on a crew, encompassing both Captains and F/Os.

Some other parts of the world only use the word pilot in its literal sense, to mean only a pilot-in-command, and not a co-pilot.

I suspect this is where some confusion may have arisen.


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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:49 am

"About the oldest I´m not sure, but the captain that was flying the United 747 that had an inflight cargo door explosion (with 9 pax sucked out of the aircraft) in HNL retired a couple of years after the accident in his well late sixties!! Anybody to confirm this"

They just had a show on this tragedy on Discovery the other day the show was called "Ripped from the Sky". The Captain was 2 months from retirement not a couple of years. Thats the sad part because he need all of his experience to land the plane. I think 60 is too young for retirement.

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:50 am

I'm sure all you A.net old timers will agree with me that it was TIMOBEAR, apparently a 30-year-old UA 747-400 Captain...

I never got the chance to command a 747 flight, but I've flown around enough in the other two seats to know that there was a certain prestige to it, especially back in the 1970s when the 747 was first introduced.
 
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:55 am

I knew a guy who was ex SAAF and he joined Caledonian Airways as a Capt on the L10-11 and he was only 27 at the time.

Was a good looking guy too, all the hosties were trying to land him, even though he was married to - a Caledonian hostie !!!.

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:20 am

Bellerophon:

Thank you for the information and the correction. Very appreciated!!!

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:39 am

I've heard of a 25 year old 747 captain at UPS about 10-15 years ago. He is now on the A-300 I think and is #1 seniority at the age of 40.

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:46 am

Virgin had/has a captain who got his B744 command at 30 I believe. I think he was flying B742's even before that. I believe he started his career really young with Dan-Air and just worked his way up. This was the same captain that featured on one of the "from the flightdeck" videos on a B744 routing LHR-SFO. I think he still works for virgin but would be nearer 40 now as he flew the B744 fleet right from the start

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 2:33 pm

SAA had several captains in their mid 30s flying 747s in 1975/76.
 
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:13 pm

I believe, but I could be off by a year or two, that Paul Havis was 29 when he was captain on 74's for PeoplExpress. Paul produced a couple of interesting aviation videos, notably "How they fly the Concorde" and the new DVD version "How they flew the Concorde." He continued flying 74's for CO for a while after they absorbed PE until they integrated the seniority list. He's now a 777 Captain at CO based at EWR.
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 11:15 pm

747 skipper, In the USA you can have your ppl(private pilot licence) at 16 as I am 13 and just started flying in a cessna 152.

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sat Apr 03, 2004 11:52 pm

Yeah, I remember reading a story about the UPS guy.

Apparently he got hired right when they first started their operation.
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:13 am

Usair320: Just a small correction, you can be 16 to solo, but you must be 17 to get your license in the US. Good luck in your training.
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:15 am

Usair320:

Sec. 61.103 - Eligibility requirements: General.

To be eligible for a private pilot certificate, a person must:

(a) Be at least 17 years of age for a rating in other than a glider or balloon.

(b) Be at least 16 years of age for a rating in a glider or balloon.



I started lessons at 14...Solo age is 16 I beleive...I'm not sure, never got that far.
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:25 am

Dear USair320 -
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Could not remember the minimum age for PPL, CPL in USA, it is all in FAR 61.
But I trained a "filthy rich" kid (and very nice guy) to get a type rating in a Learjet at age 19...
He only had a PPL... he came back a year later to get his CPL in the Learjet.
Well he had it all, a Ferrari, his own Bellanca airplane...
And he often rented the Learjet, used to go with him as co-pilot because of insurance requirements.
In an extreme case, that could be done in a 747, why not...
My son, age 14 does a pretty good job flying the 747 simulator. Has about 20 hours in it.
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:22 am

One time when I travelled FRA-HKG on CX in the early 90's the Captain was very senior, but the FO was 18 yrs old, and was going to do his first landing in Kai Tak - in a 744.
The youngest crew I've ever seen was on a GrandAir A300, with all 3 crew members aroung their mid-20's. The Captain's previous command was OV-10 Broncos with the Philippine AF.
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:25 am

I flew an Elite 757 and the co-pilot looked green. I was 28 at the time and guessed he was 26 but I am not good at guessing age. He said he was just out of school. Not bad for a young laddie starting out!
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:30 am

When I flew my first PanAm trip as a captain 727, age 33, we were in a bar in MIA.
I had to pay a few rounds to my crew, 36th Street NW... the "Pilot Lounge"...
They asked for my ID to serve ME a beer...
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:38 am

'''747 skipper, In the USA you can have your ppl(private pilot licence) at 16 as I am 13 and just started flying in a cessna 152.'''


Haha, what a joke! A 13 year old kid that is allowed to fly and has the money to fly? Sounds like just another teenager who wants to impress us... Go to school kid and find a nice girlfriend.....
 
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:00 am

DB777..

That's great news about Paul Havis. I always wondered what happened to him after Continental sucked up PeoplExpress. I have one of his videos.. "A 747 Pilots-Eye-View". I've had it since about 1991 and it's pretty worn out  Big grin
Its not a bad video. You can tell it wasn't produced from a very high budget, but it does show some great takeoffs and landings from inside the cockpit. Good old (or young) Paul's head is in most of the shots too  Laugh out loud

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:00 am

Well, KL911...its not impossible. I started at 14, delivered newspapers to pay...had only like two lessons a month, but I just wanted to fly.

I decided to break my neck swimming at 15 so...bye bye PPL  Sad
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:21 pm

Dang Skipper, your son is in one great position......being able to ge the chance to fly the 747 sim. Great stuff. My flight instructor i use at the moment is in somewhat of the same situation you where in with that kid that you trained in the lear. Great position to be in, my flight insturctor (good friend of mine) goes all over the place with this guy, he owns some lighting company and makes AWSOME money. The guy is 30 years old and is now working on buying a jet. I rent his 2002 Arrow from him for $100 an hour.....i guess i lucked out in a way to. Anyways, he has an 02 Arrow, a cessna 310...dont know the year but its in AWSOME shape.

One of my old ground instructors from Spartan School of Aeronautics had a son that made capatin on the 735 for CO when he was 23. If he played his cards right im sure he could become a 747 captain by 27 or so. Obviously for another company though.
 
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:17 pm

Here is the story on Ed Maxwell, who lives here in Louisville and flies his (now) A300 from SDF and GA aircraft out of Bowman Field (LOU). I had the chance to talk to him a couple of times, very down to earth.


From the AOPA website... www.aopa.org

Most people envision a Boeing 747 captain as a person with gray hair and half-rim glasses — someone who is old enough to have a recollection of where he was when JFK was assassinated. Ed Maxwell has jet black hair and perfect vision, and he wasn't yet born on November 22, 1963. How did Maxwell, 32 years old and a 747 captain for 7 years, become probably the youngest 747 captain in the world?

Maxwell's introduction to airplanes came through aircraft. As a youngster, he flew control-line s near his San Francisco Bay area home. Later, a World War II B-17 pilot taught him to fly radio-controlled s.

A pair of Hughes Air West pilots provided his first ride in a general aviation airplane. "These guys would build radio-controlled s and go out and crash 'em," says Maxwell. "I was teaching them how not to crash, and they took me for a ride in a Cherokee of some kind."

Maxwell started flying lessons before he turned 15. "I didn't know where I was going," he says. "I was just going up and boring holes in the sky." Evidently he figured out where he wanted to go. He soloed on his sixteenth birthday and got his private on his seventeenth. "I had about 200 hours when I got my private," says Maxwell. "My logbook was full of cross-country endorsements." On his eighteenth birthday, Maxwell passed his commercial certificate and multiengine rating checkride. Soon after came the flight instructor certificates and ratings.

After high school, he enrolled in the aviation program at San Jose State University. When not in class, he worked tracking flights for express package carrier DHL Airways and as a flight instructor at Bay area airports. He also got to fly a Douglas DC-8 simulator, courtesy of a family friend who worked for an airline operating that aircraft.

In 1984, 2 years out of high school, Maxwell learned that a New York-based airline operating DC-8s was looking for pilots. He passed a DC-8 simulator evaluation and, with 1,000 hours in his logbook, he was soon flying as copi Europe, Africa, and Asia. After a year and 800 hours of flying for the financially unstable operation, Maxwell returned to California to fly Metroliners for commuter airline Wings West.

After 5 months of the up-and-down life of a commuter pilot, he signed on as a copilot with a Detroit-based DC-8 operator. A year later, Maxwell heard from a DHL acquaintance that an airline flying DC-8s, International Parcel Express (IPX), was being formed in the Bay area by DHL Airways and United Parcel Service to bid for a cargo route to Japan. His résumé soon found its way to Alf E. (Chris) Christiansen, who was in charge of the start-up operation.

"I was curious and very interested in interviewing Maxwell after reading his résumé," says Christiansen. "I remember reviewing his application and was quite surprised to see how much DC-8 time he had accumulated." Included with his résumé was a letter from the FAA stating that Maxwell's ATP certificate with a DC-8 type rating would become valid on his twenty-third birthday, more than a year away. After flying a simulator evaluation "flawlessly," says Christiansen, Maxwell was hired as a DC-8 copilot on August 25, 1986.

The airline failed to win the Japan route, but UPS had other plans for it. At the time, UPS operated its package carrying service through a network of contract carriers that provided crew and maintenance for aircraft UPS owned. This system was becoming unwieldy as it grew, so UPS decided to bring all functions in house and form its own airline.

UPS acquired DHL's interest in the FAR Part 121 certificate held by IPX and used it to create the new UPS airline. Maxwell and the other 24 pilots at IPX came with the certificate, and they formed the very top of the UPS pilot seniority list.

Maxwell turned 23 shortly after UPS announced that it was forming an airline. He would hold pilot seniority number 9.

After some initial management reluctance to the idea of such a young captain, Maxwell checked out as a DC-8 captain in October 1989. In May 1990, at age 25, he added a B-747 type rating to his pilot certificate and has been flying the "whale" to Asia and Europe as captain since then.

Maxwell says that the 747 is a great-flying airplane. "It's easy to land once you get used to the sight picture," he says.

Glenn Cooper, a 747 first officer at UPS, has flown with Maxwell many times. "I have always found him to be the epitome of professionalism in his pit duties and a true joy to be with outside the pit, as well," Cooper says.

Remaining active in general aviation throughout his flying career, Maxwell has owned four airplanes — a Luscombe 8E; a Smith Mini Plane; a Mooney 201; and his current airplane, a Piper Twin Comanche.

The Twin Comanche, a low-time 1966 , was an upgrade project abandoned by its former owner, who had installed remanufactured engines, a one-piece windshield, speed mods, and tip tanks. Maxwell finished the project by installing a new custom-made instrument panel with an air data computer, three-axis autopilot, HSI, and IFR GPS.

Being at the right place at the right time had a do with Maxwell's aviation success, but — like a lot of fortunate people — his luck came when preparation met opportunity.



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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:58 pm

I flew with Ed Maxwell, once or twice (he was a F/O) on a DC8... I would have asked his drivers license if he drove a car... looked too young to be of age to drive, let alone to fly...
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Took me 10-15 minutes after takeoff, to realize that "kid" knew how to fly an airplane. Mature and outstanding pilot. Lost sight of him, but I remember him as one of the best junior pilot "kid" I ever flew with. I heard he got eventually checked as captain 747.
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If anyone knows him or address, let me know... Thanks.
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:17 am

Skipper,
I sent you an e-mail with the address through your profile.

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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:50 am

Please thanks -
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:48 am

B747skipper,

Dow you know captain Polanco from Aerolineas Argentinas? He use to host an aviation show.
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RE: Youngest B747 Captain?

Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:13 am

With the fantastic simulators that are out these days, I'm sure a teenager could fly the 747 with a monitor onboard.