carnival air
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More Service To The Caribbean

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:29 am

When will we start seeing more low fare airline moving into the Caribbean region? THis is the last major region in North America that has not been properly conquered by the low fares. Yes...I know Jet Blue flies from JFK to SJU and now to the Dominican Republic. And Spirit flies to FLL and MCO from SJU, SONG (not really that low) to MCO and ATA to MCO and MDW from SJU; however...how long till we see....:

Air Tran: SJU-ATL, SJU-PHL, SJU-MCO, SJU-MIA, SJU-DFW, SJU-BWI, ATL-STT others

Frontier: SJU-MCO-DEN, SJU-STL-DEN, SJU-FT Myers-DEN, SJU-FLL-DEN, other?

America West - NYC, Phoenix, Las Vegas, MIA, other places

Southwest - Fll, Mco, Tpa, BWI, PHL, Dallas, IND, MDW, STL, STT, etc

Spirit Expansion
Jet Blue Expansion
ATA Expansion

Other airlines???

What do you think???? Will we ever see this??? Will any low fare airline establish any hub in the Caribbean?

What about new European, South American, and/or Central American Sevice?
More Service from the States? Maybe the Pacific?
 
chepos
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:18 am

Actually Carnival Air I dont see any of the 4 carriers mentioned above starting ops in San Juan anytime soon. Maybe (and big maybe) Air Tran will later on add flights to San Juan when they get their 737's NG. Dont forget ATA will soon start thrice weekly service between PIE and SJU, and they will be incresing their SJU-MCO flights to thrice daily for the summer season. Concerning Jetblue maybe they will soon go ahead with the proposed FLL-SJU route.
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:26 am

B6 has already announced service to several Gulf/Caribbean cities.

WN has no interest in the Caribbean or any int'l cities as things currently stand.
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Caymanair
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:06 am

i dought they would do well in most of the Caribbean. i for one would never fly a LCC in place of Air Jamaic or Cayman Airways. they may do significantly better in the USVI and Puerto Rico
 
Hannigan
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:23 am

There was a rumor that Independence Air would have a IAD-SJU nonstop once everything got rolling this year with the A320. I remember seeing it on some promo materials back in November but I haven't seen it since. If that flight takes flight, expect some low fares there.
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dutchjet
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:49 am

JetBlue and Spirit have plans to expand service in the caribbean - JetBlue has announced expanded service to Puerto Rico and new service to the Dominican Republic out of JFK, and Spirit does plan to develop FLL into a gateway/hub to the Caribbean and Latin America. I also think that, at some point, AirTran will add service to SJU from its Atlanta hub.

Aside from the other services mentioned above:

CO has introduced new routes from EWR and IAH to various caribbean destinations.....EWR-POS for example and IAH-Montego Bay is to be introduced shortly.

AA continues to add or re-instate service on caribbean routes out of MIA, its latin american mega-gatway.....I think that service to St. Kitts is to introduced in the near future. Also, AA added service from FLL to certain caribbean destinations to complement is MIA services.

US has introuced lots of flights to the islands from its PHL and CLT hubs in the past year.

On the overseas front, BMI is planning flights from Manchester to various islands.

Actually, there is more new service to the caribbean in the past months than there has been for years.......until recently, AA seemed to have the caribbean all to itself, at least there are now more players in the game.
 
captaink
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:58 am

New recent services i.e withing the last year or two...

US from PHL to GND, SKB, PUJ

US from CLT to SKB

CO from EWR to BGI and POS

DL from ATL to UVF

soon AA from MIA to UVF.

I have been hearing about AA's plan to reinstate some more of its old caribbean routes from MIA.

SKB is doing well on their flights, thanks especially to the St Kitts Marriott.

I think US should consider islands like TAB, their Hilton brings in great loads on VS.
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redtailmsp
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:10 pm

Problem with operating to a lot of the Caribbean islands is the severe lack of gate / ramp space - same with Cancun for example. On winter weekends, SJU in particular is a big problem - all the cruise traffic as well as the snowbirds arriving mid-morning onwards results in lengthy waits for gates and departure delays, which then result in broken connections at the hubs in the USA. Caribbean traffic has grown considerably recently and this year is probably one of the worst for this congestion. The infrastructure needs to be improved to cope - but this all costs money, which can be a scarce resource - a real Catch-22. Now, if you could get the cruise ships to stagger their departures onto different days, then perhaps the congestion would be less.......but that isn't going to happen because the market dictates week-long cruises departing on weekends.
 
UALFAson
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:46 pm

I would think that one of the problems preventing widespread LCC expansion in the Caribbean is the relatively high cost of the area. With the exception of Puerto Rico and Cancun, which have become pretty commercialized (i.e. Americanized), aren't most other islands fairly expensive, especially during high season? LCC airfare doesn't compensate for expensive resorts. I can't see many WN fliers spending $500/night at the Four Seasons Nevis or the St. John's USVI Westin.
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MAH4546
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:52 pm

I have been hearing about AA's plan to reinstate some more of its old caribbean routes from MIA.

Yes, it is in the plans. St. Lucia, as you mentioned, is resuming in November. If rumours become relaity, Grenada will also resume by the end of the year. Antigua resumption is likely, though probably not until 2005. St. Kitts is also under discussion, though I don't believe AA has flown MIA-SKB in the past.
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AA623BDLSJU
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:51 am

AAEagle is going to fly ANU-SDQ starting May 1st. Also, that AA's expansion in MIA has to do well with the Caribbean.

I don't see WN ever coming to SJU or USVI. Since their main is in the mainland, specially now PHL.
 
carnival air
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:42 am

I know they are building a new terminal A in SJU.
 
N276AASTT
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:16 am

The Caribbean market is a very tricky area to master/conquer because of several factors.

1. Weather. Although the caribbean is recognized, the world over, for having some of the best weather anywhere, there is the problem of hurricanes. An especially difficult problem for the "upper" islands in the chain. The Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, and further down to St. Maarten are in what is called "Hurricane Alley". The "threat" happens every year, and can have devastating results ex:Hurricane Andrew/Miami. The potential for a hurricane to visit and damage an airport is too great for a LCC to come in and set up shop. Damaged airport infrastructure, planes, and screwed up schedules, etc. Tourists tend to stay away from an island that has just suffered hurricane damage.

2. American Airlines.........nuff said! Well, I'll go ahead and say something. American and Eagle are the powerhouses of the caribbean. Any airline wanting to challenge them in San Juan will suffer. AA has no problem in boosting existing frequencies and slashing prices to undermind the new carrier, they have the resources to do so. Eagle will do the same thing and follow "Big Brother." We, the caribbean people, prefer to pay for the cheaper flight. If an airline can come in and keep their fares low and offer a decent selection of flights to destinations that we would like, then we will fly.

3. Caribbean Airports. There are only a handfull of airports in the region that can handle the bigger jets. Space on these islands are limited, for obvious reasons and most island governments don't have the resources to expand the current facilities let alone out into the water. Gate space at the bigger airports are at a premium. AA controls most gates in SJU, who won't likely give them up too easily. If another airline comes in and sees potential on another island like St. Croix, which has a nice sized airport with little service, maybe they could move in there and build an empire airport similar to AA's SJU.

The deck of cards is stacked up against the newcomer from the get go, but I say more power to the underdog.
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MAH4546
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:22 am

If another airline comes in and sees potential on another island like St. Croix, which has a nice sized airport with little service, maybe they could move in there and build an empire airport similar to AA's SJU.

Not at all. St. Croix has little service because of minimal demand. No other Caribbean city can support a hub operation like San Juan can. You still need a decent amount of local traffic to support a hub, and San Juan has that. St. Croix and St. Thomas do not.
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sw733
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:21 pm

Kingston and Montego Bay can support hubs like San Juan can...am I wrong?
 
UAJFKnSAN
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:30 pm

Kingston and especially Montego Bay are already hubs for Air Jamaica which serves majors cities in the US, London and most of the popular tourist destinations in the caribbean.
 
MAH4546
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RE: More Service To The Caribbean

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:11 pm

Kingston and Montego Bay can support hubs like San Juan can...am I wrong?

I totally forgot about Air Jamaica's nice operations at MBJ and KIN. However, while nice, they are still nothing compared to AA at San Juan.

AA offers over 120 daily non-stops between San Juan and 40 destinations. Air Jamaica doesn't come close to operating such a hub operation.

Kingston is a barely a hub for airJamaica, however. Flight in/out of Kingston are mainly designed to serve local O&D traffic. The only international flights are a weekly to MAN, four weekly to LHR, daily to JFK, double-daily to MIA, and triple-daily to FLL.
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