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Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:00 am

The December issue of Airbus’ technical magazine FAST has a fairly interesting article: ‘A380, a solution for Airports’.

Page 2 includes a map with the likely first A380 airports based on carrier interest and forecasts for future A380 routes. Though Airbus has previously published such maps, none (that I know) included dates.

2006/2007 Airports:

San Francisco (SFO)
Los Angeles (LAX)
Montreal Dorval (YUL)
New York Kennedy Intnl. (JFK)
New York Liberty Intnl (EWR)
Miami (MIA)
Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG)
Frankfurt (FRA)
London Heathrow (LHR)
Jeddah (JED)
Dubai (DXB)
Karachi (KHI)
Bangkok (BKK)
Kuala Lumpur (KUL)
Singapore (SIN)
Sydney (SYD)
Melbourne (MEL)
Auckland (AKL)
Tokyo Narita (NRT)
Hong Kong (HKG)
Seoul (ICN)

2008/2009 Airports:

Chicago (ORD)
Memphis (MEM)
Anchorage (ANC)
Zurich (ZRH)
Munich (MUC)
London Stansted (STN)
Amsterdam (AMS)
Doha (DOH)
Osaka (KIX)
Colombo (CMB)
Beijing (PEK)
Shanghai (PVG)
Taipei (TPE)
Brisbane (BNE)
Jakarta (CGK)

’Others’ before 2010:

Vancouver (YVR)
Toronto Pearson (YYZ)
Washington (IAD)
Honolulu (HNL)
Orlando (MCO)
Pointe a Pitre Guadeloupe (PTP)
Fort de France Martinique (FDF)
Manchester (MAN)
Luxemburg (LUX)
Milan (MXP)
Rome (FCO)
Nice (NCE)
Paris Orly (ORY)
Liege (LGG)
Johannesburg (JNB)
St. Denis La Reunion (RUN)
Bombay (BOM)
Delhi (DEL)
Dhaka (DAC)
Guangzhou (CAN)
Manila (MNL)
Okinawa (OKA)
Fukuoka (FUK)
Tokyo Haneda (HND)
Sapporo (CTS)
Perth (PER)

The whole article can be viewed here:
http://www.airbus.com/pdf/customer/fast33/FAST_33_p7_16.pdf

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:06 am

Interesting article Jeremiah,

One thing surprises me about this list. Amsterdam is listed as being ready for the A380 in 2008/09. As far as I know, the current G-pier at Schiphol Airport is already able to handle the A380. Can anyone clarify this?

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:08 am

I forgot to mention the new runway (Polderbaan) at Schiphol Airport which is also capable of handling the A380.

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:11 am

@A388:

From what I understand, the article does not discuss airport readiness, rather the year of the first expected A380 regular flight.

All the best.
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:35 pm

Oh geez, not again......didnt we have this discussion before in terms of the A380 ever being operated in the U.S.?? I recall it was an ugly debate that was endless. This is probably going to be the debate again....part 2.
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:07 pm

I think that because this list is based upon BOTH airport readiness and carrier interest, it is based upon 1) the ability of an airport to handle the type, and (more importantly) 2) The carrier's desire to fly the aircraft into/out of the airport. Obviously, the aiports that are the most restricted (slot-wise) are going to be the first to see this aircraft (provided they can handle the A380).

This thread should not take on an A vs B tone...no reason for it here. For the record, I am a Boeing fan, but I respect the engineering that it takes to put such a massive aircraft in the air. I am still riding the fence about whether I would like to fly on such a large aircraft, but that is another thread all together.
 
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:48 pm

Not read the article, but the list is very interesting. A big driver on the list will be Emirates, they seem to be building capacity into routes preparing for the 380. I am presently on an Asian tour and have flown several SQ 744/772, all full, I would guess that SQ may need the extra capacity as soon as available, and maybe bring some stored 744 capacity back.
 
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:30 pm

"based on carrier interest and forecasts for future A380 routes"

Would not AIRPORT OWNER interest be more relevant.

And LAX as I understand it, cannot be ready because of budgetery time frames even if it is their desire!

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:42 pm

Ruscoe

Well said, otherwise it's just marketing hype or conjecture from the aircraft manufacturer - in this instance, Airbus!

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:56 pm

Airport owner interest in USA = 380 readiness year 2020.

 
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:05 pm

@Col:

Well you are ignoring MIA, LAX, SFO, MCO, ANC and JFK which are all more or less ready/getting ready.

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:39 pm

Damn LGW's not on the list  Sad

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:41 pm

Where´s South America, like Rio, Buenos Aires or Sao Paolo?
Also Cayenne and Paramaribo?
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:11 pm

@Sam/A340-600

Just rechecked the map and LGW is actually in the 2006/2007 airports. My omission.

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:32 pm

Hi

Well I'm just disappointed cause any Spanish Airport is included in the report. I don't think Madrid Barajas won't be ready for an A-380 after they finish the new Terminals.  Crying. Maybe not. Somebody knows it?

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:40 am

@Casa235-300:

Good point. I was most surprised not to see Madrid included, especially given Iberia had previously been linked with ILFC A380s. I would certainly have considered the airport a more likely candidate than Nice for example.

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:35 pm

Teahan said: @Col:

Well you are ignoring MIA, LAX, SFO, MCO, ANC and JFK which are all more or less ready/getting ready.



None of the airports are even ready for the A380 at this time. I doubt that they will be ready anytime within the next 5 years (or ever..) because no U.S. carrier (flag or not..) has ordered any of them. Plus...theres no room to expand here in the U.S. anyway so why bother?

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:54 pm

One would hope LHR is ready, as VS have ordered the A380 lol.

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:26 pm

Article in todays Financial Times on the work being completed At Heathrows Terminal 3 to accomodate the A380

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1079420138286&p=1012571727114
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:12 pm

Hi,

interesting map, Jeremiah, thanks for sharing with us.

What came to my mind when I read this, how are airlines planing to handle diversions due to airport / weather problems? Especially Australia, US (Except Northeast), JNB, because the distances are pretty big, also other regions, even in Europe with a high density of 380-ports, the diversion would cause flying distances of an hour or more to the actual destination. This might be pretty difficult to handle.

Also, does anybody see the effect of reduced traffic due to 380 or rather increased pax figures? I vote the second...
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:16 pm

Airbus has been working very closely with the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) to make sure that a number of airports throughout the Chinese Mainland won't have any problem in coping with A380s before the Beijing Olympic Games in 2008.

[Edited 2004-04-05 11:34:19]
 
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:30 pm

Honolulu by 2010???  Nuts

That one will never happen, not in our life time anyway.

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:23 pm

In an internal newspaper issued last week, Air France confirmed that its A380 will be configured between 530 and 540 seats (the final configuration will be fully decided within the next months), and that its first destinations will definately be : JFK, YUL, LAX, NRT and later : PEK, SIN, HKG...
 
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:33 pm

I'm not really sure about when MAD will see 380's. Maybe from SQ? I think the traffic on SQ's routes to MAD is not big enough for a 380 at all. We have to remember the main intercontinental traffic ex-Madrid is Latin America and I doubt any Latin American carrier will get a 380 in the next 15 years at least.

What's about Mexico City, does anyone have any idea about possibilities for the 380 in MEX?

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:01 pm

As far as I know, MEX is very high up the list for LH. Currently being served 10 flights a week with 744, and possibly at least 14 flights a week by 2008.

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:03 pm

@AirFrameAS:

None of the airports [MIA, LAX, SFO, MCO, ANC and JFK] are even ready for the A380 at this time. I doubt that they will be ready anytime within the next 5 years (or ever..) because no U.S. carrier (flag or not..) has ordered any of them. Plus...theres no room to expand here in the U.S. anyway so why bother?

Actually they are getting ready. See for example JFK: http://www.panynj.gov/pr/pressrelease.php3?id=497

JFK is one of 14 American airports making preparations for the A380. Those preparations include strengthening taxiway bridges and widening runways

@T prop.:

I presume the thinking was that if a Japanese carrier was to order the A380 and configure it in a relatively high density configuration, HNL might be one of the destinations.

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:13 am

Well MIA is getting ready too, as part of the airport expansion every concourse is going to have at least on A380 ready gate, the North Terminal, the one for AA and One World Alliance is going to be operational on 2007, first stage was open this weekend (concourse D) and the South Terminal is moving really fast too!!! So yes MIA would be ready to meet the forecast,even when some people are not ready to accept it!!!
 
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:15 am

They forgot to add MDW!!! *lol*
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:19 am

Well you are ignoring MIA, LAX, SFO, MCO, ANC and JFK which are all more or less ready/getting ready.


None of the airports are even ready for the A380 at this time. I doubt that they will be ready anytime within the next 5 years (or ever..) because no U.S. carrier (flag or not..) has ordered any of them. Plus...theres no room to expand here in the U.S. anyway so why bother?


MIA will very much be ready. They will have not only A380 gates by the end of 2006, but an A380 maintence hanger.

In an internal newspaper issued last week, Air France confirmed that its A380 will be configured between 530 and 540 seats (the final configuration will be fully decided within the next months), and that its first destinations will definately be : JFK, YUL, LAX, NRT and later : PEK, SIN, HKG...

MIA is also planned to be one of the first five A380 destinations. Delhi has also been mentioned.
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:16 am

I find it interesting to see London Stanstead on that list for 2010, as at present it completely dominated with nothing but short-haul and low-cost airlines to Europe. With the current government plans to add an extra runway to Stanstead, will be therefore be seeing a shift of longhaul flights to Stanstead?
 
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:41 am

@Downingbarry:

I presume FedEx A380Fs.

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:21 am

Interesting that DFW, ATL, and IAH aren't anywhere on the list. I doubt these markets could support A380 passenger service, but cargo service is another story.
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:29 pm

Hi

Mexico is considered to receive AF and LH A380 for regular flights to Mexico City, that is what I have heard,

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:22 pm

PER is listed and DFW is not? lol
 
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:36 pm

Someone asked about emergency diversions. Just about any significant airport will be able to land A380's in an emergency. There is a big difference between being able to handle a plane in an emergency and being able to handle it in normal operations. 747's have landed at my home airport (Springfield, Ill SPI). But if you tried to do this in ordinary airline operations, you would have trouble. The terminal could not handle the passenger load. The main runway(at 8000 feet it is longer than at most towns our size) is not long enough to allow overseas flights without major payload restrictions. I suspect there would be problems routinely giving the bird the fuel and line mainatence it needs as well.

IN SHORT.....Just because you can land there in an emergency does not mean you can serve a place commercially. The A380 will have plenty of potential diversion sites.
 
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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:52 am

A pretty interesting statement by Bill DeCotE, Aviation Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, reported in the Tribune Business News, 13 January 2004.

The arrival of the A380 is as important to JFK International Airport as the Boeing 747 was when it was introduced. There’s a huge economic benefit to seeing an aircraft like that in a market like ours.

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RE: Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'

Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:19 am

YUL's lone A380 twin-boarding gate --on the currently-under-construction new International pier -- ought to be about ready to go when the pier opens early next summer. The runway situation though might be a little restrictive as I guess it'll be limited to just (11000ft) 24R/06L . The shorter (9600ft) 24L/06R runway probably won't be enough for it.

But who knows. Last summer there was apparently some NAV Canada budget fidgeting going on at the airport, causing a whole lot of the overseas heavies to use 24L . And so a lot of the A343 and A342 departures on warm humid evenings didn't clear the perimeter fence by all that much at all  Nuts

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