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SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:17 pm

I see them using there 744 and there A340. Why are they switching all the time into JFK.

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:24 pm

Not sure, but I got back from SA last Thurs night. I took the 340-600 down from ATL and the 747 back to JFK. What happened to the "great" comfort level the 340 was supposed to have? YIKES!!!!! It was torture on that airplane. 4 days later I flew back on the 747. I'll take the Boeing any day!

Sorry I cannot answer your question. I just thought I would throw my 2 cents in.

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:24 pm

SAA currently have only one 340-300e and this is the aircraft that will be used for JFK. As more arrive you will see less of the 747 at JFK.
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:27 pm

Im really love watcing the A340 land everyday then the 744. You always see the 744 at jfk. Big article in Airway a couple months ago. Do you work for SAA?
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:36 pm

Take the 744. Why would you want to suffer in a widebody-wanna-be when you can have the real thing?
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:42 pm

I don't work for SAA I'm just a fan  Smile My wife has worked for them for 25 years, in flight performance engineering, flight safety, as a flight attendant and is currently the chief pilot's secretary.
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:47 pm

I just like the outside look of the A340.

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:58 pm

Why are they downgrading capacity from a 380 seater B 744 to a 250 seater A 343 to JFK from JNB/CPT???

Whats the reason for all this?
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:31 pm

There seems to be is some confusion. SAA does not have any 343s (http://www.flysaa.com/navigate.jhtml?win=/about_saa/fleet_information/fleet_information_frameset.html&num=7&sta=0). So are they using the 346 to JFK? In that case capacity is 339 pax, not so much less than the 744..
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:38 pm

Take the 744. Why would you want to suffer in a widebody-wanna-be when you can have the real thing?

becaue you are nearer the aisle at window seats
becasuse its quieter
because everyones flown on millions of 747's and want to try something new
because it too is a widebody

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Dont trust the SAA website they have not updated there fleet information for ages StarlionBlue they got the A343 recently.
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:41 pm

I will not trust in anymore!

"widebody-wanna-be"? I agree with Roberta there. The A340 layout is nicer. Fewer "prisoner" seats in the A340 since you are never more than one seat away from the aisle compared to two on the B744 (the window seats in monkey class).
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:50 pm

SAA's webmaster needs their ass kicked... the website is so out of date.

The A340-300e seating configuration is 38 business lie flat and 231 economy, the best seat in economy (apart from exit row) is 76D as there is no seat in front of you.


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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:36 am

I'll reserve judgement until next week, when I'm going down to CPT for Easter Sunday  Big grin
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:48 am

744 with SAA any day over the A340-600. Flew CPT-JNB on a -600 and it was hell. If you have an economy ticket DONT FLY THE A340-600!! Buisness is OK though

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:54 am

I saw the A343 going JFK-DKR (Dakar, Senegal).

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:03 am

Apparently (heard this from an SAA F/A) DKR cannot hold an A346. Now wouldn't mthis be a problem because SAA have dropped Sal, Cape Verde as a stop to ATL and we fly the A346 to ATL. Can anyone comfirm this true?

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:26 am

Like I Said, I just got back from flying on the SAA 340-600 and the 747 last week. The lighting on the Airbus is so much more pleasing to the eyes. Important feature on such a long flight in my opinion. Also, the airplane is by far more quiet than the 747. It seems more solid, too. It doesn't shake rattle and roll when we takeoff or land. In fact, the takeoffs and landings on the 340 were sooooo smooth! The PTV's were also way better on the Airbus.

Wait......I thought Recaro was supposed to be the best seating in the world. Recaro is written all over the seats on the 340. Those were NOT comfortable seats. The 747 seats were much more comfortable. There is NO leg room on the Airbus, as well. OUCH.
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:21 am

There was something in the Star.co.za the other day, Funny this thread came up.....

Andz- did I meet you at Lebombo Handover...I was the guy from Kansas City-


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April 2, 2004

We had the misfortune to fly our annual business trip to Frankfurt aboard the pride of SAA's new fleet. It is our company policy to fly economy and over the past 40 years I have made hundreds of flights worldwide with my staff.

Passenger complaints abounded. The purser was hounded by dissatisfied passengers who no doubt experienced the discomforts as we did. I made many observations:


The seating configuration of 2.4.2 is uncomfortable and congested.


Leg room is inadequate.


Every second seat has restricted movement due to the placing of a large box under the front seat. This, we believe, is to house the personalised entertainment system. You can only sit with one leg extended.


Ergonomics have been abandoned for economy - the seating is hard and has a lot of exposed hard metal edges.


Arm-rests have recessed cavities to access sound controls and are very uncomfortable. We filled the recesses with balls of rolled paper to achieve a semi comfortable flat surface on which to rest our arms.


Seats don't recline as far back as those of a Boeing, nor does the back-rest offer equivalent support.


The seating configuration has resulted in very narrow aisles - it's difficult to pass fellow passengers let alone avoid the refreshment carts. Passengers on aisles complain of arms and legs being bumped.


The galley areas are small and difficult to work in ... staff comments.


Overhead lockers seem smaller and storage space is a problem.


Toilet numbers have been reduced per passenger conveyed - queues congregate outside toilets. One toilet was out of order.


Toilet/wash-basin design is hardly ergonomic. It's very difficult to access a basin with one's face without dripping water all over the floor. It's design is to accommodate short people, and necessitates wiping up floors after moderate use.


My observations are based on thousands of flights over the years. The bad flights - few stand out. This one was, however, the worst I or my staff have experienced.

We are loyal SAA passengers, but even as SAA Voyager members, we would rather have sacrificed voyager miles for comfort on an alternate carrier.

Airbuses are not unfamiliar to me. They are adequate substitutes for Boeing, but the latest con-figuration in economy class is an absolute disaster. Many passengers, including ourselves, will obviously avoid booking SAA where alternative comfortable economy facilities are available.

The Airbus A340-600 is a very economy class passenger-unfriendly aircraft.

Robert ******
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SAA responds: SAA has taken a strategic decision in offering the leg room it currently has on its aircraft in order to match its major competitors in the markets it serves.

This not only maintains SAA's competitiveness but also follows a global industry standard. Compared to airlines across the world, taking into account SAA's major competitors flying into South Africa, one finds they all follow the same seat pitch in economy, which is 31 inches (78,74cm).
As the airline industry developed primarily in the United States, seat pitches are measured in inches. This standard is not compulsory and very slight variations, if any, will be found. Our major competitors into South Africa all offer a 31-inch seat pitch, while one or two offer a 32-inch pitch maximum.

In business and first class, a similar strategy is adopted, with competition offering a lie-flat seat. By the end of May, SAA will have fitted its entire Airbus fleet with a complete lie-flat product in the premium section as well as in the 747-400.

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:47 am

DKR can't take a 346? With an 11,450ft runway? I doubt that very much. At JNB the 346s stand at Delta apron and the pax are bussed to the terminal so lack of airbridges can't be the problem.....

I agree the economy seating in the 346 isn't too hot but it's no different from Emirates 330 or any other Airbus I've been on. Seems to be the standard, but compare a 346 to a 744 to a 743 or a 742 or go back as far as you like and economy class has been getting gradually worse over the years. Luckily my flight JNB-CPT on Thursday is on a 744  Smile

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:51 am

how can you blame Airbus for the uncomfortable seats, that's SAA's fault
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:52 am

Thats what I heard from an F/A and an A342 Captain Andz. Seems the aircraft cannot fit at the gates and cannot turn around on the runway.

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:03 am

On the upper deck of SAA 744 you get 34 inches in economy and the Sony Passport system.

Saa currently have 6 different business classes in the air. There new lie-flat on there Airbusses is phenominal. The 743 is crap but will be gone soon. They have 2 744 with flat business class and they are used only on LHR-JNB, first flight in each direction. There other 744 business is quite nice. Their first is one of the best in the air. There 342 business is Lufthansa old one and it is acutally quite nice. They have some "old" business on some of their 346 which will be gone by the end of this month and some different one of TAM on their leased 332.

They only use a 346 to ATL. JFK rotates between a 744 and 342, we have a shoratge of 744 as some alitalia pilot recently drove a alitalia 767 into one of our 744 on its way to JFK so untill that is fixed no good. Give it a few more months and everything will be in order and fully operational, untill then a word of advice, if you fly on any saa 744 in economy make sure your on the upper deck.
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:07 am

I never knew saa is replacing the business class on their 744 with the new lie-flat thing, oh well another way to waste money i suppose that is why SAA holding company has just had to give them $1 billion to recapatilise it.
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:29 am

Roberta...take a look at some Iberia A340-600 interior shots....Proves it's Airbus' fault


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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:29 am

EDIT: Roberta...take a look at some Iberia A340-600 interior shots....Proves it's Airbus' fault  

Unrelated. Try looking at the economy class of a more comfort oriented airline that operates the A340-600. Iberia isn't the best comparison.

I don't understand why people don't get this. Airlines order their own seats and interiors, and they don't order them from Airbus. Same goes for engines. Airbus installs them for a fee.

Arguing that 2-4-2 is a congested and uncomfortable arrangement is assinine. They could have been put on a 744 with 3-4-3 or a 777 with 2-5-2, then they could have experienced congested and uncomfortable.

I admit, IFE boxes have become a problem on many airlines.

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:53 am

Are you sure the best seat is 76D? I thought it's 74D.

Can't check the seatmap because the seatmap on SAA's website is too blurry.

Yes... blame their webmaster...
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:37 am

how can you blame Airbus for the uncomfortable seats, that's SAA's fault

Roberta, calm down... no one is bashing Airbus for the A340-600. SA006 said-

744 with SAA any day over the A340-600. Flew CPT-JNB on a -600 and it was hell. If you have an economy ticket DONT FLY THE A340-600!! Buisness is OK though

All he said was- if you fly SAA in economy, try to avoid the A346. This comment basically reafirms what you said about airlines choosing their own interiors. Frankly, I trust someone who has flown an SAA A340-600. For all I know, an LH or VA A346 is much more comfortable.

what exactly am i looking at

The little winking smily face represents sarcasim, he was not defaming Airbus for chrissakes... some people are so touchy

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:18 am

Eddieho I checked in the latest printed timetable, 74D on the 346 and 76D on the 343....go figure, the shorter aircraft has higher seat numbers!

I'll have an opportunity to check first hand the difference between the two topic aircraft very soon, I fly JNB-CPT on 8 April on a 744 and CPT-JNB on 16 April on a 346.

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:11 am

"The seating configuration of 2.4.2 is uncomfortable and congested."

What an idiotic comment !
If this person finds a 2-4-2 economy class layout uncomfortable, then he/she should fly Business or First.
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:15 am

No First on an SAA 343 0r 346.......
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:16 am

2-4-2 is as good as it gets. Only one seat away from the aisle wherever you are.
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:26 am

The reason for the discrepancy in numbers is that rows are skipped between Biz and monkey class.
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:43 am

DfwRevolution,

neither the VS or LH 346s are more comfortable in Economy Class than SAA's. SAA offers the same seat pitch as LH and double armrests in middle of the block of 4 seats. The reason why many of SAA's customers complain(ed) about the comfort in the 346 Economy Class is because SAA used to have a far above average seat pitch in Economy Class.

I for one, didn't find the SAA 346s more uncomfortable in Economy Class than the SAA 744s (in upper deck). Yes, the seat pitch is less, yet the quieter cabin, cleaner air and better IFE made more than up for it.

And as Jaysit already said, if someone finds Economy Class uncomfortable, he or she should fly Business Class. For the kind of price Economy Class sells today (in average 20 % less than five years ago) one shouldn't expect 34" seat pitch.

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:29 am

Is there anyone who can get photos of the inside cabins of both the 747 and the A340s (all types) and publish them onto the internet? (on Airliners.net or independent web0

There seem to be very few cabin photos to do some 'comparisons'.

What about the new A340-300s? Are they any different?

Oh yeah - is it by all means possible if someone can scan or take photos the latest seating layouts and publish them onto a website? (Or tell someone from SAA's webmaster to fix up their website asap! They can't just join Star Alliance like that can they?)  Big grin

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:35 am

They will fix it in a bout a month or two when they have there new fleet and seats. Go to www.saa.co.za and on there you will find the correct and exact lay out of there 744 fleet and 342 fleet and 346 fleet. The longer list of ac reg is the correct seating lay out of the new seats. Also there you can see detailed photos of SAA seats. Seach A.net as there are plenty of cabin photos of SAA new businss class and then you can see the current types of business on their 744. As i said they currently have 7 different business classes in the air, this is only temporary till there new seats arrive.
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:35 am

I'll take pics next week and put them on Myaviation.net, I'll also be going to FRA at the end of the month on an SAA 346 but business class  Smile

Also want to get a pic of that awful seatbelt airbag on the 346.
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:38 am

Yeah that sounds great! What's this infamous seatbelt airbag I've been hearing about all the time? I mean - if one did not have the seatbelt on - does it still affect the comfort or cause irritation?

Anyone have a photo of it? If not, a post of it would be great!

Thanks,

 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:40 am

It is terrible off or on, if you keep it on you can't get the tray table close enough to you and if you take it off the belt won't fit next to you in the seat.

Moolies it is http://www.flysaa.com
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:58 am

Andz come into chat, www.saa.co.za also works.
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:43 am

As mentioned in reply 12, I flew on the A346 yesterday:

JNB-CPT (Seat 75A); CPT-JNB (Seat 4A)

The Y-class seats have a nice appearance, but are very uncomfortable. The seats are really hard and recline is dismal. I'm only 1.78m tall and the seat in front of me was against my knees. To give you an idea, it was a 2-hour flight down to CPT and my bum is sore as hell today. I cannot imagine flying from JNB-ATL in these seats. Unfortunately I disagree with ZSSNC. The UD and LD seats on the 744 are more comfortable than the seats on the A346. And yes, I flew on the 744 from JNB-ATL and JFK-JNB. On SAA’s 744, at least it did not feel as if I were sitting on a slab of marble the entire time. However, please note that this is an SAA problem, not an Airbus problem.

I find the apparent lack of individual air outlets for each passenger, on the A346, pathetic. It got really hot and felt quite stuffy in the cabin, at some stages. I can’t say that I agree with the claim that the air quality on an Airbus is better than on a Boeing, as my nose was burning like hell and became blocked (as usual), halfway through the flight. The cabin also did not seem any quieter than on the 744, despite the fact that I was seated right at the back and also upfront in J-class.

At this stage Boeing still gets my vote.


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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:34 am

No individual air outlets?

Sign of sardine / passenger packing?

(obviously they arranged the seats different from the way it was 'designed' - yes/no?)

 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:46 am

is the ATL CPT route now nonstop with the 346?
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:03 am

To answer AF330, and the original question posed by Jetblue15, SAA has experienced unanticipated delivery delays from Airbus. They transitioned to a new schedule from the USA based on promised delivery of the 340-600 aircraft, some of which have been delayed. This has resulted in SAA using a 340-300 aircraft to speed the retirement of their 744 transatlantic fleet.

As of this moment, all ATL flights are now A340-600. JFK flights are 340-300 aircraft until they receive the additional deliveries of 340-600 aircraft. The reason why JFK flights are using smaller aircraft has nothing to do with the stopover in DKR. It is simply because the loads on ATL are much heavier than the JFK flight. The timing of the ATL flight makes far more onward connections in Southern Africa, whereas the JFK flight serves primarily the JFK-JNB O&D market, and those willing to layover a night before continuing onward.

To answer AF330's question, the ATL flight goes nonstop to CPT on Tue/Thu/SAT, and nonstop to JNB the rest of the week, with a change of aircraft for onward connections to CPT.

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:08 am

is the ATL CPT route now nonstop with the 346?

On Monday, Wednesday, and Sunday, SA212 goes ATL-JNB-CPT

On Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday's, SA210 flies instead of SA212, going direct from ATL-CPT, going onto JNB.

On Friday, SA212 stops in JNB, not going on to CPT.

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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:32 am

With all the leases, delayed deliveries, etc, This brings me to another question:

Are all the A340's have the same 'dreadful' economy seat everyone's talking about?

The pictures i tried to look for had purple seats in one pic and blue seats in the other. Can anyone comment on that?
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:19 pm

Eddieho

I flew on ZS-SNA from JNB-CPT in Y-class. The seats looked the same as on ZS-SNB and ZS-SNE in these photos. At first glance it does not seem bad at all, until you get seated. I can imagine that it will look like sardine season with a full load.


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CPT-JNB was on ZS-SNB in J-class. The pitch was very good, although the seats are also quite hard and not flatbeds. However, as we speak J-class on the A346 is changing from 48 to 42 seats. The new configuration will be flatbeds.


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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:55 pm

Great seat pics and finally a shot of the infamous seatbelt airbag! Look closely at the pic of the economy bulkhead seat top right and you will see the fat seatbelt on the left seat, this is fitted at bulkhead rows on the 346 and I would assume the 343 too.
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:04 pm

Just returned from trip to London. Went up on 346 on 31st March and back yesterday on 744, both economy. Frequent traveller on SA and others' 747's and 340's. The 744's are all very much noisier, IFE screens are tiny but I really cannot say that the seats are noticably less comfortable. What I do like on the A340's though is the extra space between the cabin wall and the window seat and the double seat rests in the middle.
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:42 pm

For a second there I thought those 'airbags' were leather pouches that stored in flight anemities (toothpaste, socks, etc) :P

Guess not!!!

OK - here's the deal why I've been asking so much questions

I hav the choice to fly Lufthansa or SAA when I go back to South Africa.
My flight from JNB to Frankfurt was terrible... I thought my shins have been dented. so I'm thinking of flying SAA back to avoid the pain (tall, 6'2 / 190cm). I guess SAA still sounds better (mind u, the lufthansa seats are hard too).
 
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RE: SAA 747 Or A340

Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:57 pm

Eddieho,

I thought that you managed to get seat 74D on the 346? In that case you'll be better off on the 346 than on either the LH 744 or the SA 744. And as LH has the same seat pitch on their 744s as SA on their 346s I would go for the SA 346 anyway (2-4-2 vs. 3-4-3 layout, AVOD vs. Mainscreen entertainment, double armrests in between middle seats vs having to share your armrest with two neighbors if you get a middle seat).

I think I should emphasize once again that SAA's 346s do not offer less seat pitch or comfort than most 744s flying today. SAA used to offer a seat pitch which was far above industry average. If SAA bought 744s today the seats which would get installed on it would be just as comfortable/uncomfortable and have the same pitch as the seats on the 346s.

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