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NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:35 pm

The livery looks very nice (supposed to look like the plane is "wrapped" in silver, not just painted) but I saw a DC9 at MIA, newly painted and the rear (behind the exhaust) is already filthy, all black with soot that really stands out a lot on the bright silver.

Seems like someone didn't think the new paint scheme out very well as far as how it would wear on rear engine ac like the DC9 and CRJs
 
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:06 pm

I personally love the new paint job, I know that on the DC-9's that the rear does look very dirty after a while, but that is not a problem on the CRJ's as far as I have seen they look fairly clean to me. Of course they have a more efficient engine then the old DC-9. I am willing to overlook the dirty back end of the DC-9 to see a nicer livery then the dull drab old paint scheme.
 
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:08 pm

I think the DC-9s look quite nice in the new livery, and I think the dirt and soot are so normal on DC-9s at this point that only those who think about it will notice.
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:38 pm

I think the soot behind the thrust reversers has become a lot more noticeable since powerbacks have become commonplace. Other than painting all rear-engined aircraft soot-black, I don't know what else could be done.

Think of those soot smudges as tattoos that only the coolest airplanes have.  Big grin

 
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:25 pm

Everytime an A/C (DC9) goes through MEM, the tailcone area gets washed at the gate between flights. Personally I have seen more AA MD80s with black tails than I have NWA's
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:53 pm

See, but that is the problem. A new livery shouldn't cause the airline more work and expense.

Also, I'm sure there are more dirty AA MD80s out there, but they didn't just design a new livery for themselves did they?
 
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:18 pm

I think its dumb to design a paint scheme around engine soot. The planes are going to have to get cleaned anyways. Regardless of whether the soot is there or not. The silver is nice, if it was black, it might cost more for the paint job.

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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:48 am

I agree - soot is cool! It's a badge of experience.
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:01 am

I think its dumb to design a paint scheme around engine soot.

Actually, I sometimes wonder if NE had that in mind when they modified their Yellowbird scheme in 1971; a year before the Delta merger.


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The picture on the left shows the updated scheme; although its a little tough to see at this angle.

The 727 NE photos below show the distinction in liveries a lot more clearer.


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Worth noting: N975NE pictured above sadly crashed into the seawall at BOS while coming in for a landing in 1973 killing all but four people on board. At that time the plane, obviously, was wearing Delta widget liveries at the time. This crash was in an article on a back-issue of 'Airliners' several months ago.
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:30 am

PHLBOS--BN did the same thing:


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It's great to still have dirty DC9s--the soot is a disappearing signifier of the mechanical aspect of aviation, like nighttime exhaust flames on pistons and dense streams of smoke from CV880s and water-wagon 707s and DC8s.

As for NW liveries--sooty or not, the new one "outshines" the heavy, dated red look in every way.
 
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:35 am

The DC-9s are a great aircraft!  Smile
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:13 am

Paint them fucshia if you want, the DC9 is still one of the most masculine planes around. Thank God for NW for keeping them around still.
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:16 am

Are you sure that EVERYTIME a DC-9 is on the ground in MEM it gets a tailwash?? I know here in DTW NWA does at least 10-12 planes a week, but I have never seen them doing it in MEM when it is a turn flight and going back out...
 
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:43 am

The new colors on NWA's DC-9s would make you think they were brand new if not for the dirt on the back. I think they look great, much better than the Bowling Shoe.
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:51 am

In Reply #9 above, I noticed that one BN 727 had a white rudder with the tailcone painted blue like the rest of the fuselage, while the gold 727 had a silver rudder with silver extended down to the tailcone in front of the #2 exhaust.
I had never noticed that difference in BN paint schemes before.
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:03 am

.."Think of those soot smudges as tattoos that only the coolest airplanes have. "...

Nicely put Worldperks. DC9s with dirty butts are always a treat to see. It reminds me of the great old times when jets were LOUD and DIRTY!

I'm sure that the 'soot factor' wasn't considered (nor should it have been) when they designed their new c/s. Soot being on the fuselage doesn't cost them money, it's just unpleasant for 'clean freaks' to look at.

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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:29 am

CRJ-100/200s do have some soot build up by the APU exhaust.

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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:48 am

I'm not so sure I like the new NWA paint. I saw a couple of 757's today that looked like crap. Absolutely filthy.
 
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:48 am

Hammer your right--MEMPHIS no longer does tail cone washes--
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:50 am

A little dirt wont hurt. Big grin
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:57 am

I saw a NW DC-9 in new colors for the first time on Saturday at KAZO. It did it's own push back too.

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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:32 pm

I saw one at GSP today in the new livery, it looked awful. gimme the old back ASAP.

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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:04 pm

The right engine gets coughed on by the APU...top of it is always dark. Dirty engine output=dirty tails.

The CRJ's youll always see clean... Pinnacle is very finicky about having spotless aircraft.
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RE: NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea

Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:55 pm

Thats one thing you can say about the scheme on AirTrans aircraft. That shade of beige/off white always looks dirty so it's harder to tell. Good planning.........?
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