pilotcoex
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America's Top International Destination

Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:02 am

According to National Geographic Travel, Cancun has finally overtaken Paris and London as the top international destination for Americans year round. The article also states that the US airlines will continue to add several flights as they compete for position.- How long before there are too many flights to Cancun to a point where it becomes unprofitable for the airlines?
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:55 pm

One reason for Cancun being so popular is because its v close by and plus its pretty cheap to holiday in compared to CDG and LHR where 3 star hotels can cost more than US $ 100-150 per night and that too without any air conditioning or pool etc.

Cancun is largely popular with close by states like California, Arizona and Texas + not to forget the biggest attraction of the year in March...SPRING BREAK which goes on for 2-3 weeks!!!
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:02 pm

One more reason for me not to go to Cancún. Isn't the point of going on holiday internationally is so you can experience new cultures? I mean, if you consider someone from a different part of the US to possess a different culture, then...well, those are the people that should go right ahead and be 'international' in Cancún  Laugh out loud

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MAH4546
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:59 pm

Cancún has been booming lately, especially with new air service. As I mentioned on a previous thread, the amount of added Cancun service this year has been incredible. American Airlines will increase MIA/DFW service and upgrade JFK to an A300, US Airways will add IAD/FLL/BWI service pending government approval, America West and Spirit added service last year, AeroMexco has resumed MIA-CUN, United launched Cancun in February, and airlines are competing to be able to be the 2nd US designated carrier on both DEN-CUN and DTW-CUN.

This summer looks like this (*=Pending gov't approval) for the larger carriers between US/Canada and Cancun. Not all carriers are listed.

Air Canada
YUL - 2w 320
YYC - 1w 319
YYZ - 3w 320
TOTAL: 6w
(*Note during the busier winter season for Canada-Mexico travel, they are also offering YVR-CUN and YHZ-CUN)

AeroMexico
ATL - 7w M80
MIA - 2w M80
TOTAL: 9w


Alaska Airlines
LAX - 7w 73G
TOTAL: 7w

America West
PHX - 7w 320
TOTAL: 7w

American Airlines
BOS - 2w 757
DFW - 28w 757
JFK - 7w AB6
MIA - 21w 757, 14w 738
ORD - 7w 757, 2w 738
STL - 1w 757
TOTAL: 82w

ATA
IND - 1w 752, 1w 738
LAX - 2w L15 (yes, L15)
MDW - 7w 738
SFO - 1w 752
TOTAL: 12w

Continental
CLE - 1w 73G
EWR - 8w 752, 7w 733
IAH - 13w 733, 12w 739, 7w 73G, 3w 738, 2w 757
TOTAL: 53w

Delta Airlines
ATL - 7w 763, 7w 738
CVG - 4w 738
TOTAL: 18w

Frontier Airlines
DEN - 8w 319
MCI - 1w 319*
SLC - 1w 319*
STL - 1w 319*
TOTAL: 11w

Mexicana
LAX - 7w 757
MIA - 14w 320

Northwest
MEM - 7w 320
TOTAL: 7w
(NOTE: They offer DTW/MSP-CUN during the winter)

Spirit
DTW - 7w M80*
FLL - 7w M80

United Airlines
DEN - 1w 757*
IAD - 1w 757
TOTAL: 2w

US Airways
BOS - 3w 319, 1w 321, 1w 757
BWI - 1w 319*
CLT - 13w 319, 6w 757, 1w 320, 1w 321
FLL - 1w 319*
IAD - 1w 319*
PHL - 9w 319, 8w 757, 6w 320
PIT - 2w 319
TOTAL: 54w
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:17 pm

Cancun probably has more capacity from charter airlines from February-April than it does from scheduled airlines (*from the USA)... heck, nearly every major & medium-sized city in the country has service at least once a week!

There are sweet deals to CUN this summer... one major tour operator ex-DTW has r/t airfare for two (Sa-Sa) + seven nights at a 3* hotel for $999.99 including all taxes & service fees (including those at the hotel).
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:54 pm

I was in Cancun the beginning of march 2004 and have to say that it is so overrated. I have been to many destinations around the globe but this place is so overcrowded and so overrated that I truly dont recommend to anyone to go here.

Go to South Beach or something similar instead!
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:09 pm

"I was in Cancun the beginning of march 2004 and have to say that it is so overrated. I have been to many destinations around the globe but this place is so overcrowded and so overrated that I truly dont recommend to anyone to go here.

Go to South Beach or something similar instead! "

Try vehnturing outside of Cancun and go to the ruins, the ruins in the area are worth a visit to the CUN area but I dont care to stay in the party areas of any of the Mexican resorts, I'd rather stay in some small town where you can actually experience the Mexican culture.

For Americans if you use pesos on trips to Mexico you can usually save money in Mexico where as in South beach is far more exspensive and not that grand, I could not wait to get out of S. Beach.
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:04 pm

In Mexico I've been to Cabo San Lucas, and Cozumel, and I must say they are two of the most beautiful beaches I've ever seen. They are also less crowed, and more relaxing than Cancun.
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:32 pm

We've been seeing a LOT of charter flights originating in Flint and Bismarc make fuel stops here on their way to CUN. Probably four times per week at least. They stop here to clear customs on their way back to Michigan and North Dakota. Equipment is usually 737-400 and A320, although the A321 makes an appearance every now and then. These flights park at the gate next to our's and every one of them I see is packed. CUN obviously has a huge amount of appeal for people all over the nation. Even from some cities that one wouldn't normally expect to have CUN service.


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RE: America's Top International Destination

Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:51 pm

In addition to Cancun, the Riviera Maya/Tulum/Playa Del Carmen area has really boomed in the last 5 years. It is just one huge resort after another from the end of the Cancun Peninsula all the way to Tulum....approx 80 miles from the Cancun airport. Resorts such as the Aventura Spa Palace, Barcelo Maya Beach, Grand Xcaret by Occidental, Paradisus Riviera Cancun, Riu Palace and the Xpu-Ha Palace are spectacular.
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:13 am

Manzanillo and Costa Careyes is just gorgeous!

Continental flies nonstop to Manzanillo from IAH
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:56 am

I'm surprised that the #1 international destination from the U.S. isn't YYZ.

Considering that the Canadian LCCs are adding trans-border service, most U.S. carrriers fly to YYZ from hubs and some non-hub airports, there has been an open-skies agreement for around 10 years, and the U.S. and Canada are each other's largest trading partner, one would think that the amount of business and leisure travel would mean more flight and flyers into YYZ than CUN.
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:14 am

Yeah- Are there numbers for Cancun Vs. London, Toronto, or Paris?

In my mind I would rank Toronto, London, Cancun, Paris, Montreal, Vancouver, Madrid, Frankfurt, Rome, Cabo, Milan, all in the top ten and roughly in that order. Its not based on any report though- anyone have actual stats?
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:25 am

In my mind I would rank Toronto, London, Cancun, Paris, Montreal, Vancouver, Madrid, Frankfurt, Rome, Cabo, Milan, all in the top ten and roughly in that order. Its not based on any report though- anyone have actual stats?

I don't have actual stats, but Milan is not a huge tourist destination what so ever. Glasgow and Dublin more than likely attract more American tourists than Milan. So does Amsterdam. And you have left out to Caribbean/the Bahamas. Nassau is definitley up there. So is Freeport/Grand Bahama, Punta Cana, Aruba, and Montego Bay. Also big with Americans are San Jose, Bermuda, and Quebec City.

Also, I'd be willing to bet a very good amount that both Vancouver and Montreal attract more American tourists than Toronto does. I'm discounting business travelers here, just tourists.


[Edited 2004-04-06 21:26:30]
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:25 am

This must be in terms of O&D... because LHR/LGW offer nearly triple the amount of annual scheduled seats to the USA than CUN does. I could hardly see charters making up for that disparity.

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RE: America's Top International Destination

Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:32 pm

Through the end of this month, US is actually using a 767-200 on CLT-CUN. Pretty impressive.

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RE: America's Top International Destination

Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:05 pm

US also has a 762 from PHL to CUN daily through the end of April, when these planes will be used for seasonal service to DUB and SNN.
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:38 pm

CUN is not overrated as someone said. It all depends on what you are looking for. Everybody knows that if you're planning a romantic honeymoon in March/April, most probably it will end up not being very satisfactory because of the springbreakers. The true is that springbreak is a great help for us as they keep the industry busy and the hotel rooms booked in what we call "low season". Period.

The area served by CUN airport (just part of the macro complex) comprehends Cancun and The Mayan Riviera. With more than 60,000 hotel rooms (rough estimate) and several options along the 70/80 miles of resorts THERE IS something for everyone; all inclusive, spa/rehab centers, budget, ecological, eco-archeological, even exclusive resorts for honeymooners, those that like to be in the nude and even for those with overweight problems! So, whatever your preference of vacationing is, most probably you will find it in the Cancun area.

Cancun's Hotel Zone is a strip of 14 miles with both economic and super luxurious hotels, shopping malls, mayan ruins, restaurants and entertainment. A bit too noisy for many, right in the dot for others.

This must be in terms of O&D... because LHR/LGW offer nearly triple the amount of annual scheduled seats to the USA than CUN does. I could hardly see charters making up for that disparity.

It surely is in terms of O&D as the number of connections in CUN is very limited and often it is to nearby destinations such as Cozumel and then Merida. You'll be surprised of how many flights CUN receive from Europe daily and the amount of charter operators who, apart from Orlando, absolutely ignore the US.

Pilotcoex: You are right. Cabo San Lucas (Los Cabos) and Cozumel are more relaxed than CUN, but the beach is absolutely breathtaking !

Cheers from Cancun....
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:58 pm

"Isn't the point of going on holiday internationally is so you can experience
new cultures?"

No, we want to get drunk and party our rear ends off without cops messing it up!

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RE: America's Top International Destination

Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:24 pm

I'm surprised that the #1 international destination from the U.S. isn't YYZ.

This must be in terms of O&D... because LHR/LGW offer nearly triple the amount of annual scheduled seats to the USA than CUN does. I could hardly see charters making up for that disparity.


There's little doubt in my mind that CUN sees more seats than both YYZ and LON. CUN had no less than 12 charter flights from DTW alone on Saturdays this past winter. Places like DSM and TUL saw service as well.
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:51 pm

"Glasgow and Dublin more than likely attract more American tourists than Milan. So does Amsterdam."

Polishing our image portrayed by USAFHummer, Amsterdam comes a close second to the Cancun experience for all the right reasons.  Big grin Oh, yes. We experience culture from every perspective.

Proximity: Canada and Mexico. And aside from their "appeal", laziness makes a lot of those decisions compared to the long haul and financial burden of a eurotrip. Milan would be my first choice in Europe.

Cheers,
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:55 am

I was under the impression that the majors turned the Hawaiian market unprofitable by offering too many flights. I think there is a possibility they might do the same to Cancun.
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:56 am

Pilotcoex,
Most CUN flights are sold as part of vacation packages which tend to be profitable... that's what they're trying to do with Hawaii as well...
 
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:32 am

Joleb, I can definitely see why you think that Cancún does not live up to the hype around it. While I must say some of the hotels are truly incredible and that the beaches are fantastic, I also think that Cancún is past the point of enjoyment. During Spring Break, for example, it becomes a sick brothel courtesy of our northern neighbors. Europeans and Mexicans (seeking relaxation and enjoyment, not clubbing) tend to prefer Cozumel and the beaches south of Cancún. The Quintana Roo coast is so incredible that you can have the most wonderful trip of your life even if you don't go inside Cancún.
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:44 am

Top 50 US-International Airport Pairs - latest DOT data available YE Mar 02

1.JFK - LHR 2,325,045 passengers
2.HNL - NRT 1,507,472 passengers
3.LAX - NRT 1,422,282 passengers
4.LAX- LHR 1,349,771 passengers
5. ORD-LHR 1,272,945 passengers
6. LAX-TPE 1,065,487 passengers
7. JFK-CDG 968,487 passengers
8. SFO-LHR 913,966 passengers
9. IAD-LHR 882,670 passengers
10. SFO-NRT 832,285 passengers

11. ORD-YYZ 815,639 passengers
12.BOS-LHR 797,600 passengers
13. LAX-MEX 792,953 passengers
14. JFK-NRT 765,176 passengers
15. LAX-SYD 752,651 passengers
16. MIA-CCS 751,144 passengers
17. DTW-AMS 748,617 passengers
18. MCO-LGW 748,144 passengers
19. GUM-NRT 743,442 passengers
20. LAX-YVR 741,994 passengers

21. LAX-ICN 739,948 passengers
22. LAX-AKL 735,707 passengers
23. ORD-FRA 686,830 passengers
24. JFK-FRA 684,445 passengers
25. EWR-LHR 674,583 passengers
26. LAX-GDL 664,844 passengers
27. LGA-YYZ 663,759 passengers
28. HNL-KIX 658,340 passengers
29. ORD-NRT 656,235 passengers
30. MIA-NAS 652,550 passengers

31. SFO-TPE 611,723 passengers
32. MIA-GRU 588,755 passengers
33. SFO-YVR 582,917 passengers
34. SFO-HKG 564,069 passengers
35. IAH-MEX 562,715 passengers
36. MIA-SJO 561,832 passengers
37. IAD-FRA 553,092 passengers
38. MIA-LHR 541,333 passengers
39. GUM-KIX 531,417 passengers
40. SJU-SDQ 518,177 passengers

41. MIA-BOG 516,408 passengers
42. JFK-SDQ 509,849 passengers
43. ATL-LGW 504,749 passengers
44. MIA-MAD 500,986 passengers
45. MIA-MEX 495,626 passengers
46. ATL-CDG 490,847 passengers
47. LAX-CDG 474,342 passengers
48. MIA-CUN 474,146 passengers
49. MIA-PAP 454,458 passengers
50. IAH-LGW 454.387 passengers
 
petazulu
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RE: America's Top International Destination

Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:38 am

Thanks for those numbers, however I doon't think we have a definitve answer here. How about total US O&D to LHR, NRT, CDG, YYZ, YUL, Cancun, etc.

Info probably doesn't exist though.

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