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Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:27 pm

Looking through flight schedules i noticed that a lot of airlines use smallish aircraft for very long flights.Apart from comfort is it completly safe to fly over such a long strech of water with 2 engines?
I took the following examples of flights and equipment.

MAD MIA AA/IB 767-300 Duration 9:30
EZE MAD AR 767-300 Duration12:00
YYZ LHR AC 767-300 Duration 7:00

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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:32 pm

Don't forget that the 767-300 has a long range (up to 5875nm, depending on the specific type) and is ETOPs-certified so that it can operate the longer flights. Accordingly, I very much doubt there's a problem with physically operating these flights. The level of comfort, however, might be a consideration.
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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:35 pm

There is the LH business class service on LH between DUS-NYC on a 737ER
Also Royal Air Nepal flies a 757 between FRA-Katmandu (Nepal)


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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:54 pm

The 767-300 isn't exactly a small aircraft either.
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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:02 pm

He said "smallish", not small  Big grin

Jokes aside, the 763 is pretty big and it's been flying across the pond for two decades now without problems. Next time you see a pilot, ask him or her how many times an engine has quit during their career. Even with retirement age Captains, the answer will most probably be somewhere between 0 and 3. We're talking thousands of flights here. And then there is the fact that these Captains are still there talking to you.

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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:07 pm

Well,

dunno if it counts, but I've once had the honour to ride along on a ferry flight of a TAM Fokker 100 from Amsterdam to Sao Paulo... Big grin

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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:14 pm

LifelinerOne. Extra tanks onboard?

737s and MD80s fly routinely to Hawaii (albeit sans passengers) and they never seem to have problems.
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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:35 pm

The B767-300 for long-haul is not what I would call a "small aicraft".
There is quite a few examples of real "small aircraft" for long-haul :

in the mid 90's Air Liberté used the MD83 for charter flights : ORY-CMB with intermediate refueling stop at ISTand DXB, one single cramped Y class, NO IFE of any kind...

Star Airlines using an A320 on CDG-DKR.

Air France using a A319LR on CDG-DOH or CDG-KWI

LuftHansa (Privat'air) using A319LR or B737NG on DUS/MUC-EWR or MUC-ORD

BA using an A320 on LHR-BAK or LHR-TAS

French President J.CHIRAC using a "République Française" A319CJ for a visit in Japan


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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:40 pm

1. CO's tranatlantic 757 services come to mind: BHX, LIS, SNN, EDI and OSL are flown from EWR with a 757.

2. 2 and 3 hour segment being flown by regional jets. For example, MSP-PHX, DFW-NAS, LAX-YVR.

3. European charter carriers regularly use 757s for transatlantic services to Florida and the Caribbean.
 
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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:25 pm

As FLYSSC mentioned before: Privatair (on behalf of Lufthansa) operates flights with Airbus A319ER from DUS to EWR and ORD and with Boeing 737BBJ from MUC to EWR. As far as DUS is concerned these flights are very successful and exceeded all expectations. The flights are strictly Business and were were told by our customers that they felt like flying in a corporate jet with 1A-service!
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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:33 pm

I don't consider a 767-300 a smallish aircraft, and I don't consider a 7:00 hour flight a very long flight.
Especially with the majority of transatlantic traffic flown by twin engined aircraft of a similar size. Also many non-stop flights today have flying times of 14 and 15 hours.
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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:44 pm

Hi guys...
well ... with respect with the topic I want to add the flight from Miami to Seattle
which is about 2722 NM and 6.35 hours flight in a 737-900 !!!!!!

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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:56 pm

Braathens (BU) have a regular scheduled service from Oslo - Las Palmas which is a 5h 30min nonstop flight  Smile They fly B737-700 aircraft!


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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:16 pm

SAS Dash - Q400 Stockholm-Geneva 3 h 10 m.
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Earlier:
Braathens B737-200 Stockholm-Las Palmas
Sterling B727-200 Stockholm-Gander-Miami
Sterling B727-200 Stockholm-Sharjah-Colombo
Conair A320 Stockholm-Reykjavik-Bangor-Fl Lauderdale
 
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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:26 pm


Avior Airlines (Venezuela) has an EMB-120 (Brasilia) doing PMV-BOG 1x a week....that could take up to 4 hours! Yikes!

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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:59 am

If you want a long flight on a small plane try PTY-LAX/EZE on a 73G.
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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:06 am

I don't think that a 763 is that bad of an a/c to fly. I just flew San Juan-LAX and it was 7.5 hrs. It passed by and the comfort level was satisfactory, not too bad at all.



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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:09 am

When I was a kid I flew with Britannia Airways Boeing 737 series 200 from London Gatwick to Cairo. Cant remember how long the flight was, but I remember is being half full and no IFE (we are talking the 80's here).

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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:12 am

I once took my Cessna 172 during a training flight all the way from EHLE to Urk, moved on to Kampen, Zwolle, Harderwijk and finally made the roundtrip back to EHLE.

I bet nobody can beat that with a small aircraft  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:15 am

SAA flies a 738 JNB-MRU which is 4 hours mostly over water in a little twin, makes you miss a 744!
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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:45 am

LONGEST 737 FLIGHT

Astraeus flights on the London/Gatwick to Malabo in Equatorial Guinea route is the world's longest regular sector undertaken by a conventional B737, covering 3,337 nautical miles (6,183km) in 7hrs 15 mins flying time. Astraeus operates this weekly flight carrying energy industry personnnel in support of Equatorial Guinea's growing oil industry.

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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:48 am

Apart from comfort is it completely safe to fly over such a long strech of water with 2 engines

Uhhhh, one of the longest flights in the world, EWR-HKG, is run with a 777 which only has two engines.
 
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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:53 am

I know it's safe but I still would rather fly a 747 or MD-11 over water. Though I would fly the 777. I would never fly a 757 or 767 if I can help it.
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RE: Long Flights With Small Aircraft

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:57 pm

As long as the thing is certified for the operation, I feel just as safe with two engines as four.

Just ask the pilots. They do this all the time and even one engine failure is extremely rare. An event that takes out two engines on a twin will almost certainly take out four engines on a quad, so the extra safety margin is rather illusory.
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