schweizair
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Watch The Water Level!

Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:04 am

Does anybody know the chances of floating airports (note: Tokyo does NOT count! They just poured land into the ocean to make some room!) appearing in the future? It would be a fascinating sight. There is a guy named Norman Nixon who is trying to get approval for a floating city to be built. It could have an airport on the roof. If he gets to build this huge thing, what are the chances of people on coastal cities being flown from portable runways in the near future?
 
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RE: Watch The Water Level!

Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:15 am

The day pigs fly will be the day that a city is built in the middle of a body of water. Furthermore, the day pigs fly and talk to ATC at the same time is the day they will have a city floating in a body of water with an airport runway on the roof.

Now, for those of you who have seen the Simpsons "Lisa the Vegetarian" episode, you know what I am referring to when I say "when pigs fly..."

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RE: Watch The Water Level!

Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:15 am

U mean like Kansai (KIX/RJBB) its possible but where would the land come from. Also the expence would be to great to make somethink like that in a large scale (think of insurance). POSSIBLY in the next 20 maybe somethink like that may develop
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RE: Watch The Water Level!

Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:56 pm

If you look at the cost of Kansai, which as MNeo points out is in Osaka, not Tokyo, I guess a floating airport is not impossible. But the waters would have to be pretty calm unless you made it in one piece, and that would be impractical. So you might have to build a big breakwater anyway, and there you go with landfill.

Interesting idea of course.

Norman Nixon wants to build his huge ship, and an airport on top would be practical only because it would move around.
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RE: Watch The Water Level!

Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:25 pm

A very cool idea, indeed! For all of us in our 40's, remember how we'd all be living on the moon, or on a floating city, by 1999? Well, that's what all the sci-fi magazines used to say, in the 1970's.

I read once that some of the folks who were with the Studebaker corporation in the 60's, had tossed the idea of a floating auto factory, around. Anchor it near someplace with cheap labor, and when a coup, or revolution came along, haul up anchor, and float away to safer places!

Oh, and YVR, remember, as Bart and Homer sang, from the same episode..."You can't win friends with salad!"  Smile

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RE: Watch The Water Level!

Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:35 pm

Early sci-fi magazines also talked about a worldwide network of computers everybody has at home, and which are not bigger than a TV set  Smile

I find ths idea fascinating, and I'm pretty sure it's possible to implement before pigs can fly (btw: will they have to be equipped with a TCAS, too?).
Another interesting aspect might be that the runways of such airports (or maybe the whole airports) could be turned, according to the wind situations => no more crosswind landings!
Anyway, the chances to see international airports floarting on the water in the future are small, I guess. But I'm sure we could use this technique even today for small fields!
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RE: Watch The Water Level!

Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:36 pm

There have been plans mooted to create a floating airport for San Diego and the Japanese have also been active in promoting their 'Megafloat' concept:


San Diego:
http://www.floatinc.com/WhatItIs.html


Megafloat (Japanese ministry of transport)
http://www.mlit.go.jp/english/maritime/mega_float.html
 
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RE: Watch The Water Level!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:37 am

They already exist. They are called Aircraft Carriers.  Big grin
 
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RE: Watch The Water Level!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:59 am

KIX is built in reclaimed land, It is not floating. BOS was build on reclaimed land, its attached to the land so its not as impressive. HNL "reef runway" was built like this. Reclaimed land is popular for airports because what else woul be built on basicly a heap of garbage.

As for a floating airport one would have to make a steel tub, like a boat hull, and fill it with dirt and construct a run wany on this. The size boat would have to be immense, say 2 miles by a mile just for an airport. A full fleged city would have to be 4mi x 4mi.
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RE: Watch The Water Level!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:25 am

Does anyone know what safety measures Kansai has for Tsunamis? I would think a big drawback to building an airport on reclaimed land, in an earthquake zone, would be the threat of a massive wave overtaking the airport? Wouldn't this be a limiting factor for any airport constructed in such manor in the future?
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RE: Watch The Water Level!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:41 am

And the advantage of doing that is???? ...... besides for your amusement.
 
schweizair
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RE: Watch The Water Level!

Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:18 pm

Bobb,

I think my thread is relevant when we live in an increasingly crowded world. Countries like Japan and Hong Kong certainly apply to this topic. Since so much flying is done over the oceans, I simply wondered whether it would help if technology progressed to the point where we could build slightly out to the sea. This has the advantage of keeping noise levels from angering locals. It also could help control pollution if dense woodland is nearby; I wonder if this would benefit nations like Sweden or England since land is scarce. I don't dare laugh off this topic. Norman Nixon is not totally insane. What happens if our children live on cities floating in the ocean? It's not totally impossible even if the costs are horrendous. Also consider this: the world's population doubles every decade. Surely, we ARE running a bit short of room to breathe.