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How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:08 pm

I always strigle to tell the difference between a DC10 amd MD 11.

What are the major differences in the way they look.

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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:09 pm

MD-11 has winglets, a DC-10 does not (no matter what the model.)
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:10 pm

Yeppers, winglets is definately the easiest and quickest way to tell the difference.
 
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:11 pm

MD11 is:

Over 18 feet longer
has a larger wingspan
has winglets
has smaller horizontal stabs
the DC10-40 intake for the #2 engine

that's about all for looks..
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:15 pm

Thanks fellas.....
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:17 pm

The aft of the fuselage for both planes differs with the DC10 having a rounder one.


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Not forgetting that the body of the MD 11 is also noticeably longer than the DC 10 - other than the obvious winglets as the main differentiating factor.


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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:45 pm

Yep winglets are the dead giveaway, I also think the cockpit was improved upon as well from the DC-10.
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:57 pm

When we´re talking about DC10 / MD11:
Dont you guys think this models have the biggest windows in cockpit?
Those behind the captain and F/O, any other a/c with bigger windows?
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:47 pm

The MD-11 is easy to differ from the DC-10. And yes, the MD-11 does have the biggest windows in the cockpit I believe. Also, I think that DC-10/MD-11 has the largest cockpit between the L-1011, 747, and A330/A340.

Ways to distinguish an MD-11 from a DC-10:

-- The MD-11 obviously is noticeably longer than a DC-10
-- The winglets in its self is a dead giveaway
-- The center main boogie can narrow down the possibility to either a DC-10-30/-40 or an MD-11
-- The MD-11 has a much different, squared tailcone than the rounded DC-10s
-- The MD-11s No. 2 engine features the DC-10-40s "inflamed" engine air intake
-- The MD-11 has a smaller vertical tailfin

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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:14 pm

The dead giveaway for AA planes was that the DC-10 tails were polished aluminum, while the MD-11 tails were composite material with a dull, light gray color.
 
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:26 am

How can you tell the difference between an MD-10 and a DC-10?
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:33 am

SpeedbirdHeavy,

Good question! The MD10 doesnt even have winglets, just like the DC10. Maybe the MD10 is still a bit longer?

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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:39 am

The MD-10 is simply a DC-10 with upgraded avionics and engines. They also have a gross weight increase. The only way you can tell is by looking at the nose of a FedEx aircraft and seeing the "MD-10" notation or knowing their tail numbers. They don't have flight engineers but the station remains largely intact, there just aren't guages on it any more. The cockpit is glass as well.
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:43 am

IIRC, MD-10 = DC-10.
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:21 am

MD10 vs. DC10

The entire engineer's panel is removed from the flight deck. So if you were to look into the cockpit from the ground, the RT aft most window would have no obstruction (the engineer's panel would normally be seen here on a DC10). Also another difference that you would be able to notice from the exterior is the outflow valve is upgraded on the MD10, similar to the MD11.
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:30 am

The MD-11 is noticably longer than the DC-10 and has winglets. The tailcone engine has a bigger intake than the DC-10, same as the DC-10-40. And the cockpit windows are bigger as well.

I still can't stop thinking about the proposed MD-12 if the MD-11 had been a big success.
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:41 am

A.net has a great session where you can find info about a/c

DC-10

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=279

MD-11
http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=112

That's how I learned the differences -D

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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:44 am

The proposed 12 was to have been a double decker, correct? I recall a quick mention of it, on a news program in the early 90's with an artists impression of it.
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:51 am

The proposed 12 was to have been a double decker, correct?

I remember seeing an artist's rendition of a "stretched" MD-11 and I believe this was what MD had in mind.....

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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:04 am

And good old McD/D knew how to stretch 'em!
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:41 pm

Here's another way to tell the DC10 apart from the MD10.

The MD10 has the big VHF antenna (sharkfin) midway down the top of the fuselage; the DC10 is close to the front.

Who can guess why?
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Sun Apr 11, 2004 4:20 am

I have no idea why about the VHF antenna.

So, what does the FE station on MD-10 flight deck look like now? Is there still a seat with a table top at least? Or, did they take out everything and replace it with just another forward facing jumpseat?
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:18 am

SpeedbirdHeavy

Yes the seat and table is still there after the conversion. They only removed the vertical F/E panel.

Bmacleod

How much bigger do you think they could make the windows? I am pretty sure the entire cockpit dimensions are exactly the same. And extending the MD11 fuselage to make the MD12??? If this were true, they would have to place the additional length forward of the gear. The 11 already has a reputation for tail strikes due to it's additional length aft of the gear. The pilots can not fly the MD11 like a MD/DC10.

FDXmech

I give up, why the relocation of the #1 VHF antenna?


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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:43 pm

The DC-10 was build by Douglas Aircraft here in Long Beach and the MD-11 was built by MacDonald/ Douglas. Think things went down hill after MacDonald bought out Douglas. An interesting fact is if you ever have the pleasure of being at LGB you will notice to the right as you land from the south a wonderful old sign that was saved by our proud citizens. Boeing tried to take it down. It blazes in neon a 60's style space travel beauty and says
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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:57 pm

The mad nitpicker strikes: Isn't it McDonnell?

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RE: How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:12 am

Let me first apologize for forgetting about this thread.

>>>The MD10 has the big VHF antenna (sharkfin) midway down the top of the fuselage; the DC10 is close to the front.

Who can guess why?
<<<

The answer.

The MD10 like the MD11 has the #1 VHF antenna mounted much further aft on the upper fuselage as to alleviate any antenna ice formation breaking off and being ingested into the #2 engine.
There is no antenna anti-ice incorporated on the MD10 or MD11 for this reason.

The DC10 with its #1 VHF antenna mounted further forward incorporates antenna anti ice which turns on when #2 engine anti-ice is selected to prevent ice from forming on the #1 VHF antenna.


MD10 Vs DC10 upper VHF antenna position.

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