flycro
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Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:02 pm

In addition to dropping London City - Jersey, Southampton to Geneva seems to have been shelved from next week, Milan Bergamo was dropped back in January and it looks as if the planned route to Limoges from Southampton has been ditched before it even starts. Would the dropping of Limoges have anything to do with dodgy regional French subsidies? Not sure about Flybe's comitment to Southampton, they sem to launch all these new routes and bases and then back track. I wonder how long they'll stick with Exeter?
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:09 pm

Hey Flycro,

Last week in our local news paper (Evening Echo) they where advertising for more cabin crew "for our new routes being introduced throughout the year).

A friend who works for them suggested that they have reached there growth at Exeter...

Kimberly.
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:20 pm

SOU-IBZ is not returning for this summer, was probably not that successful last summer and with EZY doing more LON-IBZ, not likely to be seen again.
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:50 pm

WHAT!?! are you being serious!

If an airline tries a new route then all power to them, if it doesnt work, what are they supposed to do other than drop the route??

The SOU-GVA is popular in the winter season, and so is duly terminated during the summer season.

Milan BGY was always busy, avg load of 50, but the yield just wasnt there.

Have to say I am surprised about Limoges, but in addittion, Flybe are still adding routes to Perpignan and La Rochelle and Glasgow. Also Salzburg, Edinburgh and Prague have been continued from the winter schedule. Flybe's commitment to SOU has never been doubted, and infact this summer will see 5 a/c based as of July. There are rumbles of Nice, Florence and Barcelona in the future but nothing definite.

SOU-IBZ experienced good loads in the high season JUL-SEP but the crews on the flight had a long middle of the night stop on the a/c down in IBZ, and it was decided not to reinstate the route.

In relation to Exeter, the EXT flights are doing well with BHD being the weakest performer, averaging 35pax/flight. There is no chance of Flybe dropping flights at EXT, in fact I would imagine further addittions, including Chambery or Geneva in time for the winter season.

Regards

Mike

 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:07 pm

Barcelona would be good, a destination with a mix of leisure and business needs. Any news on Duo opening there southern base at Sou?
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:12 pm

In my view, Flybe. should have concentrated on developing its intra-UK and UK-Ireland routes - of which there is still many opportunities - before launching routes to mainland Europe.

Let's hope that EXT - my 'home' airport - sees more routes and, I wish, even lower prices! Flybe. is looking into commencing three new routes from the airport: to NCL, AMS and CDG. In addition, I would not be surprised to see it launch winter-only services to both Chambery and GVA.
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:13 pm

There are all sorts of rumours going around about different Southern airports. I would imagine Bristol or Bournemouth are the prime candidates.

There are no flights from Bristol to Stockholm, Berlin, Geneva, Lyon, Zurich, Milan or Shannon, all presently Duo destinations, so maybe BRS is in with a chance?

Alternatively, there is much wider scope for routes from BOH.

We will hopefully see soon!

Regards

Mike
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:17 pm

I can see Flybe launching NCL from EXT but a tad unsure about AMS and CDG, are the slots available? Also, how would Flybe's relationship with AF fare if they were to operate their own flights?

AMS and CDG would be great addittions to the EXT network! I think there are also markets for EXT-PMI/BCN/NCE/PRG/MJV.

Regards

Mike
 
flycro
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:20 pm

Bournemouth isn't as centrally located as Southampton, it's very charter orientated, would there be the business there for these flights?

Love to see Flybe start up flights from Southampton to Faro or Lisbon.
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:27 pm

SOU has one of the shortest Train platform to check in desk walking distances of any airport inthe world, so should be sucessful.
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:27 pm

I don't THINK Duo will go for SOU, other carriers mainly have the market swen up. There is much less competition at BOH, unserved markets to Belfast, Edinburgh, Alicante, Malaga, Murcia, Faro, Palma, Nice, Toulouse, Lyon, Paris, Amsterdam, Venice, Prague, Bordeaux etc.

But hey, stranger things have happened  Big grin

regards

Mike
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:32 pm

In terms of Flybe growth at SOU there is a near endless list of potential routes:

Faro
Lisbon
Bilbao
Almeria
Palma
Ibiza
Mahon
Seville
Madrid
Montpellier
Lyon
Nice
Copenhagen
Dusseldorf
Munich
Venice
Florence
Naples
Rome
Milan LIN
Catania

Possibly BUD in the future, will depend on whether BUD gets the PRG effect.

Regards

Mike

 
flycro
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:32 pm

Duo are more business, than bucket and spade. I'm sure theres a market for these flights from SOU. Zurich, Lyon, Nice, Vienna if marketed properly and with good flight times could be a nice little earner.
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:38 pm

Mike

I don't believe Duo would choose BRS - not really that far from BHX, and easyJet have already got a very firm grip, as well as flyBE's ops there.

From your suggestions, easyJet have got Berlin lined up for the summer, so not an option for Duo IF they chose to operate from BRS.
As far as the other suggestions, GVA / ZRH / LYS / LIN are existing easyJet destinations not served from BRS, so there is an opportunity for EZY to move quickly and simply put a spoiler on any Duo plans.

I agree with you, BOH is an option, but what 'Bournemouth' wants is a LCC, which Duo isn't. The Duo product is good, but may be not what is expected?
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:45 pm

Duo not being a LCC is just what Sou needs, it can compliment Flybe.
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:56 pm

All this talk of Duo! I really can't see how they are in a position to expand furthur just now. They have expanded almost lightening quick, since the rebranding, and we sure as hell don't want to see another Jetmagic!
They only have about 7 aircraft with 1 leaving in June and another later in the year. For now there are still possibilities to expand from their current bases. For example, I am surprised by their 2 new routes from EDI, I would have thought Vienna and Helsinki or Madrid, would have been a better addition, but they know best, or so you'd hope!
 
HUYfan
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:58 pm

I had forgotten completely about BRS-SXF  Sad

Guess BRS does look a bit of a long shot!

Good luck to BOH thought!

Regards

Mike
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:12 pm

I would love to see more airlines in Bournemouth, but I am not sure its ever going to happen.

The only good thing about BOU is the runway length, around 7,6xxft I think, where Southampton has a short runway only around 5,6xxft... This means that larger aircraft can fly out of Bournemouth (charter traffic normally).

Last year a flew on a Boeing 767 series 200 from BOU to BGI to join a cruise, now that would not be possible at Southampton.

As a few people have said you can jump off a train straight into the terminal building at SOU, its great! Plus the motorway (M27) is right at the end of the runway (I mean like 40ft away), which means connections are fab! With Bournemouth we don't have any rail connections and apart from serving Bournemouth and Poole (two local towns) there are not any Cities around.

BOU is caught in the middle. One side we have Bristol/Exeter and the other Southampton and Heathrow. Its in a funny catchment area.

I would like to see BA maybe try harder or maybe BMI or KLM City Hopper?

As far as FlyBE, I have always heard they are very happy with SOU operations.

Maybe we will see more domestic flights added? Maybe something for next winter? Skiing?

Kimberly.
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:18 pm

They have dropped the Blackpool - Belfast (I think it's Belfast) recently.
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:19 pm

I was not aware FlyBE went to Blackpool from SOU? Shows how well there marketing worked for that route  Sad

Kimberly.
 
flycro
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:29 pm

Flybe never served Blackpool from SOU, however I wonder why Limoges won't be starting?
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:47 pm

It was Blackpool-Isle of Man. (Not Belfast- Sorry)

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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:23 am

During the summer month's FlyBE has for many years operated a LTN-JER on a daily basis and three times a day on a Saturday, but this has been cut back to once a week service on a Saturday May-Oct.
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:23 am

I too would like to see BE start service between EXT and NCL. Although EZY have quite a wide catchment area serving NCL and BRS I think Flybe could pull it off and have its own niche south of Bristol. Lets hope they start soon. Fares at 12.99 inc of tax one way please.
 
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RE: Flybe Quietly Dropping Routes

Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:33 am

How about FlyBE picking up on what they said and expanding form Scotland to Europe, although with the introduction of FlyGlobespan, Air Scotland and Ryanair's dominance at PIK they may find it difficult to establish a market.
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