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MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:31 pm

MAS Kargo wants to start services to Beirut and to Milan-Malpensa within the next three months.

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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:43 pm

From MASKargo.com website :

Effective 28 Mar 04 - 30 Oct 04

1X a week KUL/DXB/AMS/BEY/DXB/KUL
2X a week KUL/DXB/AMS/MXP/DXB/KUL

 
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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:57 am

Fantastic. They will be a nice addition to Cargolux's 3x weekly service from Luxembourg.

I hope they do well. I know economic ties between Malaysia and Lebanon have grown quite a bit.

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This is in addition to Malaysia Airline's 3x weekly A330-200 passenger services from Kuala Lumpur via Dubai
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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:20 am

By the way, they are also planning to start Beijing.

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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:50 pm

A little off topic, but I noticed that MASkargo's 747-200Fs have windows. Is there any reason for this?

Most 747 freighters don't have windows.

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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:38 pm

Some of MASKargo 747F have windows as they are converted B747-236Bs that the airline originally operated as passenger aircraft. They were bought directly from Boeing after British Airways cancelled their order hence the -236B model.
 
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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Sat Apr 10, 2004 4:54 am

Thanks for the info Mas777.

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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:33 am

Could someone tell me why MASkargo only owns 2 747-200s and is wet-leasing 6 747-200s from Air Atlanta?

I find it strange that a cargo airline owned by a major Asian carrier is relying on wet-leasting most of its fleet from another aircraft. The wet-leased 747-200s are also ina mostly white paint scheme.

Is there some reason preventing them from acquiring their own aircraft? I think it would be a wise idea if MASkargo bought 747-400Fs to replace its wet-leased 747-200s and become self-reliant.

I also read that they are expanding the facilities in Kuala Lumpur, so it would make sense to operate their own fleet.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:11 pm

The 2 747-200s owned by MH were orginally full pax versions from delivery in 1982 up to 1995-96 when they were converted to freighters. MAS bought them from BA as part of UK-Malaysia economic trade (in order to get more landing rights to LHR, i.e. buy aircraft with RR engines).

It is not uncommon for major airlines to lease aircraft (whether pax or freighter) and in the case of MASkargo, it is relatively cheaper to lease these older planes than to buy new 747-400Fs. So costs is a major factor here.

MASkargo did approach MAS some time back to ask that MAS' outstanding order for pax 747-400s be converted to -400F but was unsuccessful. MAS was also in deep financial trouble at the time and was focused on turning the company around rather than spend money on aircraft.

At this time there are no plans to buy 747-400 freighters for MASkargo.


 
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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:19 pm

I suppose the large widebody fleet (with large belly holds) provides them with alot of the cargo capacity they need.

Joule, what destinations do MASKargo serve?
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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:25 pm

Horus, see map in reply #1 for destinations.

MASkargo is also expanding further, as has been discussed in this forum, and they will need more planes.
 
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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:28 pm

Soory, I just missed it  Nuts
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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:44 am

Thanks for the information

Joule,

My concern is the fact that 6 of the 8 aircraft are wet-leases. This means, the carrier that owns the aircraft provides its own crew, own maintenance, etc. Often times, airlines wet-lease planes only for short-term purposes until they are able either to purchase aircraft or dry-lease.

Wet-leasing gets very expensive overtime. It is really not much different from chartering aircraft.

This is why I brought the issue up. MASkargo doesn't need to get 747-400Fs. They could buy OR dry-lease some 747-200Fs and/or 747-200SFs (converted freighters).

In the long run this is much cheaper than having to wet-lease aircraft for this long.

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RE: MASKargo To Start BEY, MXP

Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:43 am

I don't think MH have enough crew to go around for the 747-200s.
Also I'm sure the leases will be cost-effective for the medium term.

BTW I'm writing this from 30000 feet on board Boeing's Connexion 737-400.
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