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A380 Parts Glorified

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:22 pm

Now before everyone has a heart attack, I mean no disrespect on this thread;however, Why are the "parts" of the A380 so damn popular in the database? No offense to the photographers who have snapped shots of the pieces, but its ridiculous. All you are capturing are fragments of the beast the A380 will be. I like to see aircraft in their entirety. To see bits and pieces of an aircraft float down a river is a slap in the face to the folks who sit out there and wait for a great shot of an app/dep a/c or sit at work and wait for a unique opportunity. Come on guys/gals let's use some sense.


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Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:28 pm

Oh come on Brad... think about it.... it's a new aircraft type so there's bound to be a lot of interest, specially seeing the first ever pictures of it!

If A-Net had been around during the development of the 747 you'd have had exactly the same thing going on... if not more so as the world had never seen an aircraft as large as that before.

Soon you will start to see shots of the major subassemblies and then the whole aircraft and again there's going to be a feeding frenzy as anyone with a passion for aviation irrespective of the their AvB allegiances will be taking a look. It's inevitable!

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A380 Parts Glorified

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:30 pm

Rez,

I agree with ya, I am excited about the A380 , and I cannot wait to see the beast take to the air or even see the thing assembled, but to see bits and pieces on a ferry boat floating downa river is pushing it a little.



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Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:49 pm

Um, at this point it's not really possible to take pictures of the whole aircraft, is it?

I personally like seeing the photos of the subassemblies. Someday, when the A380 is an airline veteran, we'll be glad to have photos of the early days, just to see what it was like during the assembly.

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Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:49 pm

This coming from members of a forum where IMHO rather silly discussions about liveries get 100s of replies.

To each his own, I say.
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Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:23 pm

I've read a ton of books/articles on the history of aircraft development. Example; B707, B747, B727, various Airbus and other civilian and military. Now I'm following A380 AND 7E7. Both different markets. Then I follow something else (any hints/tips ?)

What is this Airbus vs Boeing war in Airliners.net about ? Are they football (all codes)/baseball teams ?
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Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:29 pm

And you think you won't see the same thing for the 7E7 as parts start arriving from all over the World?  Insane
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Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:34 pm

The amount of attention the 7e7 gets 5 yrs before its first flight (its even got a official name & website already  Wow!) makes the attention the A380 gets look moderate IMO ..

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Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:35 pm

I'm hanging out for 7E7 news.

Subscribed to both newsletters (Airbus4U and the 7E7 design team).
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Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:38 pm

The amount of attention the 7e7 gets 5 yrs before its first flight (its even got a official name & website already ) makes the attention the A380 gets look moderate IMO ..

It's true. The Boeing fans here are forever decrying the Airbus publicity machine, but Airbus can't compete with Boeing's hype.
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Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:44 pm

This may be a thread "derail," but here goes.
In looking at pictures of the A380 forward fuselage, it appears the cockpit is located in between the decks. Is this true, or just an optical illusion?
 
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Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:48 pm

NebFlyer, Yes the cockpit is between the level of the two decks. I think I read somewhere that it made the front aerodynamics much better.
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Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:49 pm

Looks the same to me too, NebFlyer
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Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:50 pm

NebFlyer - The cockpit is indeed located in between both upper and lower decks. There were some Schematics at some point which highlighted the side of the aircraft and said where stairs would be etc... I think it was on the Airbus Site when it was still the A3XX.

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Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:59 pm

Scrimbl, you are right about the aerodynamics. If you put the cockpit on the lower deck, you would waste the space above it. If you put it on the upper deck, you would have to have a space jutting out in front (like on the 747) but visibility and aerodynamics are better this way. Also, with the large staircase behind the nose, it's not logical to put seats in front of it like in the 747. See also here: http://www.airbus.com/product/a380_cabin_layouts.asp

And before you ask why the 747 was not built in this way... The 747 hump was put up there because the 747 was built as a cargo carrier. So cargo can be loaded all the way to the nose (or through a front cargo door) without height penalty.
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Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:26 pm

I can't wait to see the whole A380 either, but for now I do enjoy the pictures of it's various parts as they come together. The A380 is a significant event in commercial aviation history, it's generating a lot of interest and I think any aviation enthusiast worth his/her salt would be interested in seeing it change from a collection of big parts into one huge airplane!

I'm hoping Airbus does a webcast of the A380's first flight next year as Boeing did with the 777-300ER.

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Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:40 pm

Silly post of the day.....

Dont you get it, this is the biggest (In more ways then one) thing in civil aviation since the 747 or concorde.
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Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:37 am

It is like a new circus coming in town......
You don't to missed anything........from the arrival moment....
...........until showtime..............
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Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:59 am

Quick question- how old is Airliners.net exactly?

I know several derrivitive airliners have flown in recent history, but is the A380 the first all-new airliner we've had the oppurtunity to follow on A-net?

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Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:08 am

At least there are parts to glorify...
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:48 am

I read that the reason the cockpit of the A380 is between floors, is to give the cockpit a simlar height and view as that of the A330/A340 series.

This should reduce costs for pilots switching types.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:16 am

If the pilot cabin would not be modified in the A380, how can we compare to the 747...


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Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:49 am

Elcapi1980. I don't get the question.

The 747 cockpit is up there because freight goes under it. The upper deck was originally supposed to be just a blister for the cockpit, but the hump made for less drag.

The A380 is not meant to be a freighter in the B747F sense, with an opening nose and all that, so the designers could choose a location that made more sense. If they had put it on the second deck, the whole nose would have had to be longer, entailing wasted space since there's a staircase in the front of the cabins. The 747 has a much smaller staircase that doesn't take up the half the width of the plane, so stuff in front of it makes more sense.

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Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:52 am

I read that the reason the cockpit of the A380 is between floors, is to give the cockpit a simlar height and view as that of the A330/A340 series.

This is an accurate representation.

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Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:00 am

ok...that makes sense for me.....I was trying to image how tall the pilot cabin will be in such a big plane ......
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Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:53 am

High up in any case  Smile But I imagine it will about as small as that of a 744. 2 pilots + 2-3 jump seats.
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Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:59 am

U are SO right, Rez!!!
If A.net was alive n kicking back in the 60´s, the rollout of the shiny new 747-100, people would do "nr 1 and nr 2" of shear joy!!  Laugh out loud
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Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:41 am

PilotNtrng-- All you are capturing are fragments of the beast the A380 will be. I like to see aircraft in their entirety. To see bits and pieces of an aircraft float down a river is a slap in the face to the folks who sit out there and wait for a great shot of an app/dep a/c or sit at work and wait for a unique opportunity


Aw c'mon. What, you can't wait a few short days until it "settles down to normal"? Plus, that river barge shot hasn't been viewed that many times more than some of the other pics, in the "most popular" list at the moment.

I don't think it's such a big deal.

But then, THAT's maybe why there's always going to be some kind of brouhaha about this plane, at least for the next several years or so while maybe some of the Boeing zealots adjust to more balanced realities a bit , along the way  Laugh out loud
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:42 am

DeskPilot: "Are they football (all codes)/baseball teams ?" Don't tell anyone, but this is really a football forum (Airbus = Liverpool and Boeing = Man United).
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:39 am

Brad, I can't believe your post. Do you consider yourself an airliner enthusiast? If so, why would you not want to see a new one in all facets of its' construction instead of waiting months for the eventual rollout? That's like picking up a good book and immediately skipping to the end of the story. The joy should be in seeing how it all comes together before marvelling at the completed airplane. You should be reveling in all the details of the fabrication and transportation of the individual components. That's what it's all about! To watch all of these amazingly intricate assemblies make their separate journeys from the factory to the final assembly line to become a big, beautiful new airplane. I won't flame you for it but it wasn't one of the swiftest opinions to render in this forum. Oh well, you'll know better next time.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:07 am

I know several derrivitive airliners have flown in recent history, but is the A380 the first all-new airliner we've had the oppurtunity to follow on A-net?

Very good point, DFWRevolution. I think it is the first real all-new airliner we've been able to watch (it certainly is the biggest new aircraft).

And it will definately be like this with the 7E7 as well.

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Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:03 am

To see the A380 coming alive thru the pics of a.net should be great for any airliner enthusiast.

I just heard on the news tonight (French news on France2) that the first A380 (the one on the pics below) will never fly. (yes, only the first one!  Wink/being sarcastic )

It will be used only for material and parts testing. Does anybody has more infos on that?


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Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:15 am

My oh my.......Bordeaux looks absolutely beautiful. I've got to visit it one day...

I personally love seeing these photos of the A380 parts on barges. It's "different" from your typical aircraft photo, plus we get to see the A380 in development in stages this way. By seeing the parts also, it also helps me imagine this beast even better instead of all these 3D computer rendered images.

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Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:21 pm

Chrisdigo. It is quite possible that it will never fly. In many industries the first or the first few are used to test logistics, production systems, fit and so on.

And they need a stress test airframe anyway so it's probably simpler to use the one most likely to have little flaws than one that can actually fly.
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Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:54 am

This first one here will be tested to destruction in a series of static and dynamic stress tests, which basically consist of pressurising and depressurising the aircraft, while placing loads on it, to represent a cycle. It will be subjected to forces beyond those it would normally encounter, and will be subjected to these for a greater number of cycles than it would normally undertake within the lifetime of the aircraft.

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Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:31 am

You wanna know what I think is a slap in the face.


When I am told by a member of this forum (who is long gone, probably, and I don't even remember who it was) that my interest in Cessna 182s, something that I can actually fly someday, that they are "small and petty" and not worthy of any comment on a.net

That's when I woke up and realized truly how many geeks, dorks, nerds, and wannabes are on this site who will never be called an aviator. And of course, the heavy metal is the only thing that's important.

Left a sour taste in my mouth, for sure.
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:45 am

This first one here will be tested to destruction in a series of static and dynamic stress tests, which basically consist of pressurising and depressurising the aircraft, while placing loads on it, to represent a cycle

Now that really suprises me. I was aware that production A380's would differ from the prototype, but I'm suprised it is still necessary to test to the point of destruction, especially since the 380 is so expensive and CATA design. But I guess you godda do what you godda do
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:09 pm

DfwRevolution - I *believe* testing to destruction is a certification requirement for any production aircraft...

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Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:14 pm

I figured that some of you would blow this out of proportion.good job and way to be mature. This was never intended to bash Airbus.. Grow up people.
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Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:27 pm

For someone to have a beef with photos taken of the first major subassemblies of what will be the largest airliner ever built is curious considering this is AIRLINERS.NET. A website dedicated to photos of airliners.. What the hell kind of photos do people expect to see here?!!
Oh wait, yet another A320 or 737 on approach down against ablue/cloudy sky, oh boy.




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Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:14 pm

This is funny. It's not, by the way, "Completed Airliners.Net" so I don't know why you think your personal fetish for full assemblies only should be entertained, but whatever... still can't believe how perturbed we're getting over it.

For the mature among us -
You can download very thorough and, at this point, surprisingly complete schematics for the A380 on the Airbus website. They have a 7-megabyte airport planning manual. It's meant for airports to use in planning adaptation to the new big guy, but of course, you can use it to fulfill your curiosity as well. It's available as individual chapters or as the whole shebang.

Personally, I think the mid-deck cockpit is horribly inefficient. It leaves a large volume of space wasted above it and makes the entire forward nose area useless as well. By raising it a bit and extending the passenger cabin forward a la 747, they could increase seating by 20-50 seats. There's no reason seats shouldn't be forward of the stairwell. Then again, I think the entire fuselage is entirely inefficient. By making something with such an enormous cross section, the effects of having to narrow that cross section down to a point at either end are that so much of the interior volume cannot be used for anything practical. The 747 avoids this problem by having the passenger cabin move forward into the point at one end, and by having the cross section decrease before the other. If they did the raised-cabin-flooring at the rear end, as Airbus does on their twin-aislers, they'd have even more room.
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:24 pm

I personally enjoy viewing "behind the scenes" activity. I really like seeing in small steps the creation of something big. For example, when Blink 182 was recording their latest album last year, they would periodically post videos on their website of the band creating each song, giving us fans who were anticipating the release, some teasers and a glimpse of the process. It made the anticipation of the final product that much more intense. Now that the album is finally released it is interesting to go back and watch the early stages of each song as they transformed from ideas to finished product.

OK, OK sorry to get off the topic of aviation, but I wanted to illustrate my point. It can be fun to watch something being created in front of your eyes. These photographers are giving us a piece-by piece account of the creation of the A380. Think of it as watching history unfold in front of your eyes. What fun it will be to finally see the finished product after seeing it turn from concept to reality. Ease up! Airbus fan or not, this is a big deal!
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Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:25 pm

The forward nose area is used for weather radar, avionics, landing gear...
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Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:35 pm

I only got perturbed because some took what I said a little too personal... I meant no harm... long live the A380.  Smile
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Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:54 pm

Despite being a new milestone in Aviation getting high hits on airliner pieces rather than a whole airplane is funny in itself. Why not the new EMB170? On the other hand, do you think high hit ratio on A.Net is what makes things important? This is just a playground and is clearly underlined by an audience that puts toilet seat shots of aircrafts higher than a real jet. A.net has been around maybe 4.5 years. (Good old time back then!) Ciao and Enjoy your hobby!
 
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Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:52 pm

It's been around since at least 1998, so it's going on 6 years.
 
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Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:34 am

The Administrator himself only joined 4 years, 333 days ago but thats maybe for the forum only, the site might be frmo 1998. Myself joined 4 years 313 days ago. Close call  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:47 am

I don't see the problem with it. In fact, as an engineer, I find it extremely interesting and historically valuable.

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