elcapi1980
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Missed Approach

Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:56 pm

Yesterday I was at the airport (MIA), and I saw an A330 in the final approach for rwy 9L. To my point of view, that plane was coming down really fast, I kept watching and all the sudden the plane was going around, my first reaction was to see the if there was another airplane in the runway that may caused this incident, but it wasn't. What I think it happened....Is that the plane had to go missed because the pilot could not slow down the plane......
my question is ....When the this situation occurs... Does the pilot assume any kind of responsibility, what are the correction if any......

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RE: Missed Approach

Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:10 am

It's nice to have a scanner in that situation so you can tell who called the missed... tower or the pilot.
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elcapi1980
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RE: Missed Approach

Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:12 am

it was the pilot.....sorry for not specified....i had an scanner at the moment..
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RE: Missed Approach

Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:37 am

I happens. Things don't line up in time. There are rules for this, like "flight path has to be stabilized, wings level by altitude such and such." Better a go around than scraping a wingtip along the runway, or worse.
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RE: Missed Approach

Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:58 am

Yes a go around is much cheaper than a bent airplane.
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RE: Missed Approach

Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:03 am

MIA is probably the best major airport there is anywhere for spotting as one of the main runways runs parallel to a major highway (I75) and a smaller perimeter road (called "perimeter road" appropriately) where you can stop and spot from (or at least you could pre 9/11 don't know about now - though I did it at night regardless)
 
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RE: Missed Approach

Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:05 am

No more spotting from perimeter road. They've put concrete barriers to block the little gravel parking areas that used to be open to watch the planes.

However you can still stop at the 94th Aero Squardon parking lot and watch the planes. It places you maybe 100 feet further away.

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RE: Missed Approach

Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:13 am

my question is ....When the this situation occurs... Does the pilot assume any kind of responsibility, what are the correction if any......

I don't know if it is a general rule, but usually one does not have to justify a go around. And there is usually no correction at all.

There was the occurence of an airline a few decades back who tried that approach, and tried to prevent the pilots to g around too much.
Direct consequence : more accident.

As my FI often says : if there is a go around, then there is no error.

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RE: Missed Approach

Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:44 am

That could had been a Swiss Air or TAM A330.
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elcapi1980
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RE: Missed Approach

Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:12 am

yes, it was TAM airlines...
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RE: Missed Approach

Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:12 am

It is a completely safe procedure, executed in this case it seems by the aircraft not being fully stabilised on the approach. The crew made the right decision, went around, and came back in again.

No justification is needed, sometimes ATC don't help matters by issuing poor vectors or keeping us high, sometimes the pilots just get it wrong. It doesn't matter.

Incidentally the call is "go around" from either pilot. The flying pilot then executes the missed approach.

Air Traffic Control may issue a "go around" instruction for any reason (including if they consider your approach to be outside parameters). Your landing clearance is subsequently cancelled, you must go around.
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RE: Missed Approach

Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:19 pm

Sometimes during poor weather (or normal) conditions the on-board windshear detection equipment will sense a loss in airspeed in accordance with a micro-burst encounter which will trigger the "Windshear-Windshear" aural warnings. At least at our company, that is an automatic go-around procedure....especially in South Florida where windshear associated with thunderstorms/microbursts is a somewhat common experience. This might have been one reason for an otherwise normal landing to become a go-around.