geg2rap
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Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:31 pm

According to Sunday's Spokeman review traffic on each route is down 30% for year 2004 vs 2003. Possibly the reason WN cut SEA-GEG run down to 3 a day. Anyone got a clue why such a drastic downturn??
 
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:36 pm

Just a stab in the dark.

You can drive that distance in the time it takes you to check in, get through screening, fly the route (esp. in a turboprop), deplane, get your bags, get a rental car and arrive at your destination.
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geg2rap
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:46 pm

Totally agree with your point, only time I do is when WN has the $34 flight, then I almost save money by the time the gas bill comes (I Have a Ford Explorer without cruise control)
 
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:06 pm

Competition with AS and QX comes to mind. Thats probably why WN cut service. Gotta remember that alot of GEG residents are loyal to QX. And my sister is one of them. She lives in GEG.
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:46 pm



Also remember Spokane is in the economic pits right now.....Boeing and Kiaser left the area and 1000s of jobs went to. Spokane's main economic base is now made up of the Air Force and tourism.

Personally I love GEG and I remember when NWA had 8 flights from SEA and two of those flights were DC-10s.....GEG use to hop more than it does now.
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:49 pm

NW flew D10s into GEG?? I didnt know that although it would have been cool to see one there. Ive seen their 727s there alot though.
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:59 pm

AirframeAS- They flew them on a MSP-BIL-GTF-GEG-SEA-PDX-HNL routing. I believe thats what the routing was. It was in the 70s or 80s.

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geg2rap
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:01 pm

Yep I think the route was MSP-GEG-SEA-MSP
Correct me if I am wrong
GEG used to get all sorts of fun planes now pretty boring 757 from NW are the best passenger plane we get  Sad
Imagine if the first DC-10 in new colors would have gone to spokane (assuming the 40's would have got new colors)
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:19 am

It wouldn't surprise me if Southwest leaves Spokane altogether...
 
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:40 am

I have to agree with Leneld.

I've flown the Horizon "Spokane Shuttle" also. The Q-400 with its 2+2 leather seating gives you about the same room and comfort as Southwest's 3+3 leather seating. Plus it's easier for Horizon to make money in a turboprop with a crew of 4 vs. a Southwest 733 with a crew of 5. As has been mentioned above, Spokane has a future but not a present. And my understanding is that Spokanians are, as a rule, home-bodies who don't travel widely. There's really nothing for Southwest to compete for.

 
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:00 am

The rumor at Sea-Tac is that SEA is rapidly becoming a moneyloser for WN, and cutting flights is one way they are attempting to cut costs. The airline is unhappy with the increased landing fees being charged by the Port of Seattle to finance the expansion and remodeling, and this is one of the main factors that's driving up their costs of operating out of there. I have even heard a (unsubstantiated) rumor that if things continue as they are, WN may pull out of SEA altogether, unless they can find an alternative airport in the area from which to operate (not very likely as there is nothing else really suitable).

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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:33 am

Wow..I would hate to see any of our airports in the Northwest region to loose Southwest, however, I'm sure Alaska could easily absord the loss by adding flights since Seattle is its main focus at this present time. The only downside would be the price for flying to Spokane would probably increase since Alaska/Horizon would have a monopoly on these routes. The impact would be even greater if Southwest would abandon PDX or GEG since I highly doubt existing airlines would start or add more frequencies on these routes. Seattle seams to be the preference of the three cities for investing in new service or adding frequencies on existing service.....
 
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:47 am

WN's "northwest" routes have always seemed kinda cool to me, however I think they do better at certain times as opposed to others... AS certainly can make a lot of money on those routes in/out of GEG as they pull in a lot of GEG-PAC NW PAX connecting through SEA and PDX to other PAC NW destinations, on top of that, Passengers going up and down the west coast get a lot more options taking QX/ AS out of GEG with the single stop in SEA, or even PDX. Plus it is Alaska with first class...etc.Its important also to remember (like someone mentioned earlier) If a lot of 737s aren't full, there are more crew sucking money from the flight and no revenue generated to pay for it, which lowers route profitability. Thats not to mention that QX can brek even with like 11 passengers on the Q400. (my two cents)

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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:41 am

WN out of GEG god I hope not loads are good every flight I have been on has been packed
of course so were delta's.....
That would be a real loss for spokane prices all over the place would inflate greatly. Wouldn't be suprised to see UA go down to CRJ's eventually crj700's

suprised dl has not sent some crj 7's up for the ride
Anyways hope WN doesn't leave unless they are coming to MSP  Smile
 
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:49 am

I wonder if the price of that newly proposed runway will send southwest over the edge at Sea/tac? Have they even started construction on that runway? I just flew thru sea/tac coming from India and I didn't see any evidence of runway construction....
 
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 12:59 pm

Leneld,
They haven't technically started construction of the 3rd runway, as it hasn't even been fully approved. However, they've moved literally hundreds of thousands of tons of dirt in preparation for the build. And because of the dirt moving and land clearing, they've taken away the best (and arguably the only real) spotting place for all of Sea-Tac. C'mon, we all know that's way more important than the so-called 'needs' of the Port and all these airlines. Sheesh! We need more room for us locals to do some spotting!
 
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:35 pm

Ctbarnes

I remember BFI being used by Air West and it's predecessor, West Coast. Could WN use BFI or is their some law or Boeing that have made that impossible.

Rsmith6621a

Thanks for the news about GEG economics. We plan on retiring in the NW but Puget side prices just keep getting worse. Will check from Kettle Falls on down.
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:02 pm

BFI would never be suitable for an airline with frequency of WN. Tiny terminal with very basic amenaties. Plus, it is right under the flight path for SEA. They have cargo service from Airborne, ATI and UPS and sometimes an AN-125 from Heavy Lift, so size is not an issue. I am sure there are some noise restrictions. Otherwise, it is a tiny airport in a tiny valley. I did see a news report about Everett wanting scheduled service at PAE. If a terminal is built there, that would be perfect for WN.

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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:27 am

My two cents........

The GEG economy is in the pits. Also even with SEA-GEG being the BUSIEST route out of SEA, there is and was alot of capacity on that route. QX, AS, UAE, and WN. A/C ranging from the EM2's to the M80's.

The time issue is huge as well. Alot of flights around the NW I used to take I now drive. SEA-EAT is a 2 1/2 hour drive. FLY????.........arrive 90 mins early and then a 25 min flight. I save 30 mins or so and spend 125.00 more. GEG, YKM, PDX, all the same.
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geg2rap
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RE: Not So Good News For GEG-SEA And GEG-PDX

Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:46 pm

Actually AS has a 739 on the last flight of the day had the pleasure on Saturday of flying on it
Even felt like a 757
BTW 757's are back for NW this summer  Smile