goomba
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Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:31 am

The channel 9 functionality on UAL flights is such a cool part of the IFE. I wonder why other airlines don't subscribe to this by allowing passengers to listen to live ATC whilst flying?

Any insight here?
 
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:11 am

I love that channel. I listen to it for the entire flight. I don't understand
why others don't have it.

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ltbewr
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:18 am

Probably they don't want uninformed pax to know what really goes on in the Cockpit, as some things said could be misunderstood. I also suspect, it may be to limit liability if a pilot misspoke, or says something that causes an accident. Besides, how may airline geeks are there on a typical a/c :0
 
ckfred
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:18 am

AA eliminated the cockpit channel on IFE after it installed on-board telephones. They felt that if passengers heard radio communications about emergencies, they would would start panic calling. That's what a pilot with AA has told me.
 
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:36 am

Uniteds pilots can turn it on or off at anytime, its truly the best IFE out there
 
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:46 am

Even being an airline fan I believe to the general public it does have limited appeal. I myself would not chose an airline based on channel 9, just my opinion.
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 6:02 am

I love listening to ATC talk...it is really great hearing your flight cleared for take-off and then a split second later, feeling yourself pushed back in your seat.

As for the rest of UAL's entertainment channels, they're great!! I was overwhelmed on my last trip with their choices on the country music selection - it was just phenomenal. I didn't want the flight to end, and that was without any meal service!

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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:02 am

ANA has video on take-off and landing!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:32 am

I love listening to UA's channel 9 too. Not too sure why only UA has it.

A lot of airlines have the front view of taking off/landing like JAL.
 
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:52 am

I don't fly United because it has Channel 9, however, it does help to affirm United as my favorite US airline. Back in 2002, I was stuck on a UA flight on the ground in ORD but stuck on the ground due to a ground stop from thunderstorms. It was something like 1.5 to 2 hours on the ground, long for the passengers. I, however, was having a great time because I was able to listen to all the active happening around ORD.

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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 12:44 pm

I had this chance last year, on a LAX-MEX flight and I loved it! it was very interesting for me, considering that most of the flight is over Mexican territory, I wrote this new experence for me in one of my trip reports. I would like to reproduce here my experience again, and you can see that even I liked it there was a moment when I turned it off:
Nov 20-2003 UA1003 : "The captain said that we could hear the cabin communications with the air controllers in one of the radio channels so I did it, and I liked it, I could hear communications from Aerocalifornia flight 500, Aerocalifornia flight 406, Alaska flight 298, MX975, MX939, Alaska 228, MX920, and MX433. There was a moment that aerocalifornia 500 reported turbulence in the Mazatlan area and then other Aeromexico flight did the same, and after a few minutes we had a moderate turbulence in our flight that the captain asked for permission to descend altitude, and asked all passengers and crew to be seated. Then I preferred to heard music and I heard again the cabin communication channel when we were descending into the Mexico City area. This time I could hear communications from MX902, MX465, AM279, MX436, AM277 and AM185."
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:54 pm

AA eliminated the cockpit channel on IFE after it installed on-board telephones. They felt that if passengers heard radio communications about emergencies, they would would start panic calling.

AA eliminated the cockpit video/audio systems because AA was being sued too many times by trial lawyers who were found to be taping the feed. No lawsuit was ever successful, but AA spent big $$$ defending itself from said lawyers who would claim "pilot negligence" if he saw a pilot rest his hand on the glareshield "too long" or more than a few seconds delay was heard prior to the pilots responding to ATC communications. With the disabling of the systems, ALL such lawsuits ceased immediately. The above info told to me by AA's top staff trial lawyer in 1990.

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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:06 pm

I always listen to channel 9 when I fly United. I really enjoy listening to it, but I was very surprised that they kept it after 9/11. It would seem to me that something like that would be among the first to go.

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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:14 pm

I love listening to channel 9 especially when you have lots of landings then a quick takeoff in between. Though I wish the other airlines did it.
 
aguilo
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:00 pm

Ditto - Channel 9 is the best IFE there is - cheap for the airlines too! I wish they all had it.

At ORD I once heard ATC tell a UAL A320 such and such takeoff instructions and then end with "no delay on the roll". I knew which a/c he was talking to and watched it take off as soon as he got to the threshold.

What does the term mean exactly though? Is it meant to say, "hey, we've got alot of traffic no time to dilly dally - once you're cleared you gotta go!"

Anyone know?
 
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:38 pm

I, however, was having a great time because I was able to listen to all the active happening around ORD.

That sure is one way to pass the time on a flight delayed on the ground!

I was very surprised that they kept it after 9/11. It would seem to me that something like that would be among the first to go.

I just learned about it! It does seem to me that after 9/11 it would have been out the door, I mean, terrorists COULD listen in to where they are, and time a hijacking then, or what not. Hmmm, think the 9/11 hijackers used that method, and that's why it was AA and UA? Makes you wonder...
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Mir
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:45 pm

"No delay on the roll" means the ATC wants the plane to takeoff without every stopping on the runway. The plane uses a bit more thrust to taxi onto the runway faster and as soon as they're aligned with the runway, takeoff power is applied. It gets the plane off faster, useful if there's another on short final.

Channel 9 is truly the best IFE there is. Beats even a PTV. It's part of the reason that United is my favorite US carrier (and perhaps overall carrier). I've never heard anything on it to suggest where the airplane is, apart from the specific center that the plane is talking to, and that doesn't tell one much, so I can't see how it's a security risk. Why other airlines don't have it, I have no idea.

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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:05 pm

I listened to Channel 9 on a UA 744 from IAD to LHR a few years ago.

As we taxied for departure, the captain asked to pull over because there was a flashing warning light and they didn't know what it meant. We then listened to the crew talking to UA maintenance who replied, and I quote, "don't worry, its nothing important, you should be fine".

You could see people around the cabin looking horrified at each other, but of course being predominantly British passengers, nobody said anything!!!

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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:24 pm

aviationwiz,
Why should it have gone after 9/11? You can go to flight tracker and see the plane right on the screen. You may be able to listen to where they are, but you have to go through a tough cockpit door and maybe a gun at the other end of that door.


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aviationwiz
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:08 am

You can't look at Flight Tracker while your in flight though... I'm not saying I wanted it to go after 9/11, but I sure expected it to go. As far as a tough cockpit door and maybe a gun at the other end, if a terrorist wants something done, chances are, they'll do it if they try hard enough.
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:54 am

aviationwiz,
So then we should keep the cockpit doors open? Because if they want the plane they'll get it?

we should not search anybody going through security? Because if they want a bomb on the plane they'll get it?

why not just hand it to a ramper and say here put this on the plane?

I mean they will get it there anyways right? You still have to take measures to insure safety is the main concern, you can keep trying and fool these idiots, and no they don't always get what they want.

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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:19 am

I'm flying on UA tomorrow....ORD-FLL (757)....can't wait to tune in to Channel 9.  Smile
 
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:55 am

every airline needs it...........
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:32 am

My favorite is when you hear the pushback tractor feeding through. Usually its only if the FAs finish the safety demo at the gate before push. I always listen for the, "ground to flightdeck, predeparture check complete, standing by for a two-person pushback"....


Oh yeah, and sometimes during flight, you can hear the flight attendants calling the flight deck...funny conversations sometimes. Although, I think I have only noticed this on the 747.

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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:59 am

It really is a shame that BA dont have the ability to listen to their ATC
 
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:28 am

Ual777contrail,

I never said not to have measures to stop criminals, but realistically, if a terrorist group wants something done, it generally gets done if they try hard enough. The Airport Security, etc. stops normal criminals the most, just trying to do something inside the airport. I would have thought that UA would have found Channel 9 to be something to get rid of, in enhancing air security. You don't give them what they want, but if they deem it a challenge, they will shock the public by doing that job, that's what terrorists are. If it were easy, they wouldn't do/try it.
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:00 am

I once was meeting a friend in ORD who had flown in with UA. He knew my bmi flight had landed behind him because he heard "Midland 706" on UA's Channel 9!

Very handy, i thought....!
 
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:30 am

I personally love channel 9-recently on a transcon flight from EWR to SFO, I loved listening to it to find out where we were. Since we had no map service, I loved being able to hear roughly where we were, and then look out the window and identify the region...example was when I heard we were over Saginaw, MI and looked down and realized I was looking right at Saginaw...it was really cool.

Also, seeing other planes, and knowing roughly where they are coming from, and going to-example was over Nevada/Utah-heard a Lufthansa flight and then saw it fly a few thousand feet below us-

For us a.netters, makes you feel part of the whole flight process
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RE: Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:47 am

Boy i wish AA had that, the only other airline i flew other then AA was WN once from GEG-SLC. Since AA doesnt have the channel 9 i just take my scanner along and listen while we fly. Its great but the flight attendents bug me every once in awhile as to what it is. Also since i live close to ORD ill go to a few spotting locations and sit with my scanner as planes are comming in. I tell you what, ORD is one crazy place. Lots of S-turns and go arounds. Very awsome.