747srule
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LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:26 am

Why are there at least seven flights on this route? I just can't see how that many pax would need this service. Any thoughts are greatly welcomed.
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:35 am

Mostly entertainment industry types, I would imagine.
 
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:36 am

Makes sense to me. The 2nd largest city in the US & the largest UK city have extensive economic, ethnic, and vacation ties.

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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:37 am

BA will add a third service in June as well!
 
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LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:12 am

Hey KZBA any more info on this new BA flight? Type, time, frequency?
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:23 am

Can you mention what specific flights are they? I remember BA, VS, UA, AA, NZ. Any other?
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LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:32 am

I can tell you BA 283,269 VS 7,23 UA 935,AA 137, Air New Zealand 1 are the flights I am aware of.
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:33 am

Im guessing the 7 flight must be shared between BA, UA, AA, Virgin.

UA and AA have 2?

Still would like to know what they really are. Let us know 747srule.
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:38 am

BA twice daily all year round

VS twice daily in the summer i'm not sure but in the off season is it 1 daily?

AA UA NZ each have...what 1 i believe.

so that is yeah around 7 a day unless we have forgotten someone.

let's not forget that back in the early 90s, BA had 2 dailies as well as a 767 to Manchester. BCal had that DC-10 coming in from San Diego and continuing to Gatwick. Perhaps there were 2 744 1 763 and a 1 DC-10 at LAX per day at Los Angeles at one point.

I've been flying LHR-LAX and back for the last 15 years with BA and i've never seen an empty plane. In the early days they flew the Classics but ever since what the early 90s its been the 744, the last time i flew a 742 on that route was circa 1993 or 1994.

One reason I can think of is that some people continue to Oz and New Zealand.

if i'm not mistaken there are lots of brits in orange county and san diego.
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:53 am

London-Los Angeles is an airline's "perfect" market. Not only is there a huge amount of high-paying premium business travelers, but a plethora of tourists. Planes go out full in all four cabins, with a just right porportion of business/leisure travelers. Also, the London-Los Angeles market has strong year-round demand. Similar case with the San Francisco-London and Miami-London markets.
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 12:26 pm

Yes...UA only has one daily nonstop. 934/935
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 12:45 pm

747srule: Hey KZBA any more info on this new BA flight? Type, time, frequency?

BA279 / BA278 will operate LHR-LAX / LAX-LHR on Mon, Wed, & Sat via a B-747-400.

BA279 / Dep: LHR (10:00) Arr: LAX (13:05)
BA278 / Dep: LAX (15:35) Arr: LHR (09:55 +1)

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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:18 pm

London - Los Angeles is the 3rd largest city pair between the UK and US. The market while having a summer peak is generally quite a good one allowing for high year around load factors. For the summer of 2004 there will actually be 9 flights between the cities, as AA and BA will be adding a 2nd and 3rd flight respectively.

For the record and those curious here are the top 10 route pairs between the UK and US for 2003 in terms of passengers flown.

1.LHR-JFK 2.7mil
2.LHR-ORD 1.4mil
3.LHR-LAX 1.2mil
4.LHR-IAD 1.0mil
5.LHR-SFO 0.97mil
6.LHR-BOS 0.92mil
7.LGW-MCO 0.77mil
8.LHR-MIA 0.74mil
9.LHR-EWR 0.73mil
10.LGW-ATL 0.49mil

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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:33 pm

AA now has (2) 777s daily to LHR.
UA 777 (1 daily)
BA 744 (2 daily-3 flts on We/Fr/Su?)
VS 744/A340 2-daily (1 each)
NZ 744 1-daily

At least 8 dailies and on some days 9 flts.


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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 4:02 pm

Here at SFO we get
2x daily UA (1x 777, 1x 744)
2x daily BA (744)
1x daily VS (744)

Nothing to shabby there, of course not as many as LAX either.

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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 4:16 pm

BN747, i heard that VS were only operating a once daily in the off season, is this true? I heard that it was going to be A343 only (which i thought was weird) but then on the occasions when i went to LAX i saw their 744 there and not the A340...do you have any idea what I'm talking about???  Smile
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 4:37 pm

Im guessing the 7 flight must be shared between BA, UA, AA, Virgin.

NZ also flies LAX-LHR, and with full 5th freedoms.
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:26 pm

Perhaps NZ will open SFO-LHR with their new AKL-SFO service starting later this year.
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:33 pm

For the record and those curious here are the top 10 route pairs between the UK and US for 2003 in terms of passengers flown.

1.LHR-JFK 2.7mil
2.LHR-ORD 1.4mil
3.LHR-LAX 1.2mil
4.LHR-IAD 1.0mil
5.LHR-SFO 0.97mil
6.LHR-BOS 0.92mil
7.LGW-CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO 0.77mil
8.LHR-MIA 0.74mil
9.LHR-EWR 0.73mil
10.LGW-ATL 0.49mil


Just to note, that total LON-MIA and LON-EWR traffic is slightly higher (quite significantly higher in the case of EWR-LGW), because CO flies LGW-EWR and, through most of 2003, VS flew LGW-MIA (which is now LHR-MIA).
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:35 pm

Good call,
does anyone have the figures for metro area with combined JFK/EWR and LHR/LGW?

Would give a more accurate picture
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:54 pm

I've flown LHR - LAX many times on business - all premium cabins have always been virtually full. I noticed (in economy) my BA flights had a lot of Europeans connecting at LHR, especially Italians and Scandinavians. VS flights, economy seemed mostly UK tourists while AA mostly Americans. I could never understand why AA had only one flight each day, the second summer flight will be very welcome!
 
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RE: LHR-LAX

Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:24 am

Aerohottie: that would be great. I was thinking maybe extend it to FRA if it worked out, but LHR would be a good destination as well.

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RE: LHR-LAX

Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:49 am

I sure do, AirLiban...VS does cut back to a single dailt flight in the off season, however it is operated by a 744. The A340 is what gets pulled. We've gotten the strange VS Gatwick-based 744 G-VROY here once...now I don't know how that happened. This ships are usually deployed to the carribean, TPA/MCO and LAS.

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RE: LHR-LAX

Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:43 am

Ok for those that would like city pair traffic stats versus specific route stats here are the 2003 numbers.

1.London-New York 3.67mil
2.London-Chicago 1.36mil
3.London-Los Angeles 1.18mil
4.London-Washington 1.12mil
5.London-Orlando 1.05mil
6.London-San Francisco .97mil
7.London-Boston .92mil
8.London-Miami .86mil
9.London-Atlanta .49mil
10.London-Houston .45mil

The top non London UK-US route is Manchester-Orlando with .43mil passengers in 2003.

And for our Canadian friends the top UK-Canada routes are

1.London-Toronto 1.18mil
2.London-vancouver .57mil
3.London-Montreal .29mil
4.London-Calgary .24mil
5.Manchester-Toronto .12mil
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