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Eugene And Horizon Air

Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:03 am

I was wondering with Eugene, Oregon location could it possibly be a hub for Horizon air if the airlines ever decided to go it alone and become a new west coast LCC?
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Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:12 am

unlike ACA, QX is wholy owned by AS, and has codeshares with numerous other airliens as well (NW, CO, AA...) so the chance of them going independant is virtualy nil. Most of QX's flying is really point to point. The numbers I heard are that over 60% of passengers do not make connections (to AS, codeshares, or other QX flgihts). To have a hub, you NEED O&D. EUG really can't provide that. Taking people from SFO to PDX is much more efficient than SFO-EUG-PDX, so unless you can put a large number of people into planes that live in your hub, it really won't make sense or cents.
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RE: Eugene And Horizon Air

Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:51 pm

Well said. AS owns QX and remains very profitable for them. The majority of their pax do not connect, but are going point to point. This might change as their new agreement with frontier goes into effect. Currently, their bases at SEA and PDX serve them well.
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RE: Eugene And Horizon Air

Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:35 am

Right now QX flies EUG-MFR-LAX and EUG-SEA, EUG-PDX (lost the Q400  Sad I think SFO could have been a possibility for them seeing as UA operates 8 daily RJs on SFO. QX should try that market with the Q400 once daily IMO... Seems like a flight that would "fit in" with the rest of thier route system.
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RE: Eugene And Horizon Air

Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:38 am

Anyone know how many O&D passengers EUG had last year?
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RE: Eugene And Horizon Air

Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:42 am

Even though Alaska Air Group (not Alaska) owns Horizon, they could sell off Horizon for cash like Continental did with ExJet. But, even so, Horizon would likely continue to work with Alaska on a fee for departure basis. Today, Horizon is like independence Air, in that they do make many of their own schedule decisions and do market their own flights. EUG-LAX is a great example of this. They do it with the goal of making money and strengthening the Air Group network. But they are already independent enough to do things like Frontier JetExpress. As for LCC on the West Coast. Not a great idea. The dots are too far apart. It costs too much to get to places. Horizon has said that the CRJ-200 was too small for the routes they fly and they could not make money on routes with the baby CRJ. Even thought the -700 has more seats, I have heard that EUGLAX is not a huge winner for them. The Q400, SuperDash, is more economical on shorter routes, but Horizon already does many of those routes. So, IA model for the west coast with a high penetration of Southwest and low fares already in place, really does not make sense. What Horizon and Alaska are doing today, really makes the best sense. And what a pleasure it is to fly with them. I take as many trips with them as possible.

RE: Eugene And Horizon Air

Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:44 am

Horizon would have had success in Boise.... If their flights connected to anywhere. The jammed a bunch of -700's in there for a few months to stir up point to point to Boise. The problem was that you couldn't connect anywhere.
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RE: Eugene And Horizon Air

Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:58 am

This is a little off the subject but still deal with the issue of Eugene. I read a while ago, that Eugene wants to construct another runway that would run parallel with the main runway(not sure what the runway numbers are ie.10/28). Will this construction occur in the near term or is this a long term plan? Also, which city in Oregon will become the next major airport Eugene, Medford or Redmond/Bend?
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RE: Eugene And Horizon Air

Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:32 am

In terms of size, service...etc EUG would definitely be most likely to be the next major airport in Oregon. I wish so badly that we would get mainline UA back...but its not going to happen for a long time if ever. I've always thought that it might not be odd to see WN in here, but WN (In accordance with their ability to stay profitable) will only operate in a market capable of generating a certain number of flights on a daily frequencey. None the less, The Willamette Valley is growing rapidly and so is the Eugene Airport. We also must keep in mind that EUG competes directly head to head with the hour and 40 min drive to Portland. In 2003, 51% of EUG's target passenger base used PDX as their airport of choice... That just shows how much more flights we could have in EUG. But Our airport is very crowded, we only have about 11 or so parking places for aircraft, only four of them have Jet bridges. And I believe we get around 9 or so filled up at night... and Delta Connection flights are coming next month! So, I hope expansion continues, As far as the new Runway... well I think that's actually going to get underway pretty soon, however don't hold me to that. I've kind of feel out of the loop a little lately!

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RE: Eugene And Horizon Air

Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:35 pm

Even though Alaska Air Group (not Alaska) owns Horizon...

That a pet peeve of yours too? lol

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