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Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:32 pm

Singapore Airlines Limited - A Member of Star Alliance - has announced that it has signed a letter of intent with two undisclosed airlines to sell 8 Boeing 747-400 MEGATOPS.

These will be converted into freighters. Five will be delivered in 2006, two in 2007 and one in 2008.

Currently, Singapore Airlines is operating

28 MEGATOPs
52 JUBILEEs
3 LEADERSHIPs

On order are
8 JUBILEEs
2 LEADERSHIPs due to arrive this month
10 GIGATOPs

There are options on
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na
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous

Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:37 pm

You can be sure one client is Cathay Pacific. The other one could be Dragonair.
 
tsentsan
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:39 pm

Slight correction.

SQ now has 4 A340-500s, SGD delivered last weekend together with ValuAir's A320 VLB.
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col
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:39 pm

Shame, I was hoping that the 744 would be returning, all flights I used with SQ over the last 3 weeks were full, some 777 flights could have done with 744.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:44 pm

Correction,

Singapore Airlines Limited has stated that only 3 LEADERSHIPs are in operation.

Col, where did you travel to?
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tsentsan
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:51 pm

Ok then FYI for u.

9V-SGD did SQ522 today to CGK.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:14 pm

I wonder if Air India would be picking any up.

I also wonder if Thai would get any, especially after the UAL deal fell through. Then again, Thai and SQ don't always work well together, although they are part of the same (shaky Big grin ) alliance.

I think in the current aviation market conditions, only Asian carriers are interested in the B744.

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na
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:19 pm

"I think in the current aviation market conditions, only Asian carriers are interested in the B744."

Iberia will lease 9V-SMA and 9V-SMC from May. -SMA was the first 744 I´ve ever flown with.
Aerolineas Argentinas will receive 3 more 744s soon.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:21 pm

I wish one of the airlines was Iran Air as they are really suffering from their old fleet.
 
na
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:34 pm

Again, I´m quite sure, its CX and possibly Dragonair. The press info says "These will be converted into freighters.", that rules out Thai.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:43 pm

Yes, there was a post not too long ago stating that Iberia had wet-leased 2 Singapore 744s.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:45 pm

Na,

As CX operate an all RR 747 fleet, I'd be very surprised if they picked SQ's PW powered 747 for conversion to SF.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:53 pm

52 JUBILEEs

8 JUBILEEs



SQ has only ordered a grand total of 59 Jubilees, not 60.
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na
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:54 pm

Xwisard,

CX has to move away from RR-powered 744s as none are available secondhand. At least not the required number. The much-rumoured deal with BA didn´t work out as BA won´t sell so many. QF won´t sell a single one before the A380s arrive. And who else has pax-744s with RRs? Air NZ a few, SAA a handful. Not enough for CX, not available shortterm. It was in the news already last two weeks that CX would have to go shopping at UA or - SIA.

Maybe they´ll try to get the secondhand 744s for their pax fleet still with RRs later.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:15 am

Singapore_Air

Started by having a meeting in Brussels, so used UA BDL-IAD-BRU. Picked up BMI BRU-LHR (new 319). Then got on real class and flew LHR-SIN-PEK (SQ 744/772). Came back on PEK-SIN (SQ772), spent two days at home in Sing (lived there from 94 to 97), then up to BKK (SQ744 9V-SMO regional 744), back on same SMO, then overnight in Sing for early flight back to LHR. Transited through hell at LHR up to MAN, to pick up BMI 332 flight to IAD and back to BDL.

I used to live on East Coast Sing, so rented a car to tour round as I had 4th April off. You cannot get past the maintenance hangers of SQ anymore, they have re-routed the road.

I use SQ as often as possible, you know what you are going to get, and using Changi as a hub is so relaxing. Use MAN for Europe where possible.

Where do you live in Sing?

Colin
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:19 am

Singapore_Air...

I work closely with SQ at LHR.

Currently the 744's operated into LHR range from reg's SMI to SPP inclusive!

Any idea which ones will be sold on??..I know its poss way too early!

However, SMI, SMJ, SMK, and SML are the odd ones out on the LHR route with a slightly diff config...i.e. emex etc,

Also, would previously leased a/c i.e. SMT come into the equation as well?? (remember this one well, as the ansett logo is still visable over the entrance to door 1 left!!)

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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:02 am

Lets hope these 744's for CX are not like the A343's they got from SQ!! Seems SQ filled them with parts that need to be replaced!!
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:12 pm

Thought they have 30 in operations. What happened to the other two? Do they have new first/business class seats?

I hope when Boeing builds a new B 747 (If this EVER happens), we will see new 747s in SQ's fleet. Just my hopes/my 2 cents
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:55 pm

When I saw 8 744's being sold by SIA, something triggered. Despite bankruptcy protection, and all of the uncertainty that revolves around the company, in a bizarre twist, I wonder if AC will be the proud recipient.

Several months ago, a proposal by the VP of Flight Operations was put before the pilot group to acquire 8 - 744's with a provisional downgrade to 330/340 salary levels. Also, it appears that suddenly this weeks business model is to focus on international, particularly Asia and South America routes which are high yielding and lucrative.

What are the chances?? AC has no money to spend--it seems perfectly logical.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:42 pm

While I don't really mind if Cathay Pacific 744 operate with PW engines, I do hope they come in better shape this time unlike the A340-300 which had quite a lot of problems that need urgent attention and fixing after delivery. And most importantly I hope 9V-SMT DON'T get into CX/KA's fleet in anyway...



 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:15 am

So which are the ones they plan to sell? After the sale, how many B 747-400s will they have? 28?
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:27 am

Please re-read the press release carefully. The 8 400s are going to be converted into freighters. So, that would rule out quite a few carriers that were names. It would leave CX. However, what about NWA getting them? They are a P&W operator, they have bought SQ a/c before and currently have 2 ex-UAL 200B SF in their fleet.

Just a thought???
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:36 am

When I saw 8 744's being sold by SIA, something triggered......I wonder if AC will be the proud recipient.

Rodney, I thought the same thing. I still think AC should look at replacing their 343 fleet with less expensive older 744s. As for the 345's......I simply cannot believe that they are cost justified.

I wonder if SQ was insistent on selling them only for cargo conversion?
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:23 am

Col: Singapore_Air is, surprisingly, not a Singaporean. He is British. As such he doesn't live in Singapore haha.

Well since the 744 is the only aircraft with the real 3-class premium product in SQ's fleet, does this mean that SQ is going two-class? Cos their Transcontinental 772s that have the spacebeds are only two class.

The Regional 772s that are configured in the Two or Three-class configurations do not have the "real" First or J class seats.

Since the regional 777s are put on routes as far away as Tokyo, Sydney and Istanbul (7-8 hours) it would mean that SQ has a rather weak product on its medium-haul routes on destinations to Australia, with QF fitting all Australia-SIN A330s with the Skybed.

For the first time in history, QF would have a stronger J product than SQ on ALL Australia-Singapore flights. (Discounting the daily 744s that SQ uses to SYD and MEL. PER, BNE and ADL will continue to see the regional 777s, as will 1-2 of the 3 daily SQ flights to SYD and MEL.)

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On a lighter note,

Since Singapore_Air has taken the liberty to christen the SQ A380s the Gigatop, allow me to enlighten you on other names he has come up with for SIA aircraft. (They all start with W)

Megatop: Woppy
Jubilee: Wubby
Leadership: Whippy
MegaArk: Warky

If any of you are interested in a tutorial as to how to effect proper useage of the above terms, in the words of the legend himself, DO TELL!

I would expect each and every one of you, henceforth, to use the above terms when referring to sacred SIA aircraft.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:52 am

Don't rule out Lufthansa Cargo - they still have an interest in B747-400F/SFs, but LH's own B744 are currently completely tied up in Pax operations. No way for LHC to lay their hands on some of those.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous

Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:00 pm

Well since the 744 is the only aircraft with the real 3-class premium product in SQ's fleet, does this mean that SQ is going two-class?

Not ALL of SQ's B 744s are leaving. The ones that are leaving are the ones with no new business/first class seats.

Besides, I think they will install First Class on their A 380s
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:13 pm

I wonder if Air India would be picking any up.

Only with a lease, not a purchase... buying a/c for the stateowned is a long process...!

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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:32 pm

>>And most importantly I hope 9V-SMT DON'T get into CX/KA's fleet in anyway...


What's the problem with this one?

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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:54 pm

Singapore already have at least 4 747-400s parked in the US - three at Victorville and one at Goodyear. Whilst these don't represent enough airframes, I suspect that these are much more likely candidates for sale than the operational fleet:

9V-SMH and 9V-SML plus one other at Victorville:

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RE: Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L

Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:17 am

Well since the 744 is the only aircraft with the real 3-class premium product in SQ's fleet, does this mean that SQ is going two-class?

The 744 replacement (ie the current RFP - let hope that order will finally be announced soon) is likely to be three-class.