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Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:16 pm

Just heard on the news :-

Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International Airport

Is the name that has been voted for the new airport to be constructed on the site of former RAF Finningley.

In my opionion they should have stuck with Doncaster Finningley International Airport. At least that gives credit to all the years that place was known as RAF Finningley.

This is what happens when you let the public have too much of a say on a subject !!.

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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:24 pm

That name is too long.

Its also stupid. Finningly should have been kept in it somewhere as already said.

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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:27 pm

Most foreigners have heard of Robin Hood, but probably not RAF Finningley or even Doncaster (any why should they?  Laugh out loud ). Accordingly, I believe that Robin Hood is a good, recognisable name. Certainly good marketing! Didn't R.H. supposedly come from Nottinghamshire, or have I got that wrong? If I've got it right, what's the significance of Nottinghamshire and R.H. in Yorkshire (as it used to be called)? I like: Robin Hood International. The only problem with that is that it loses its locality: people in Doncaster, Sheffield, Hull, etc., will wonder 'well the hell is that?' Unfortunately you can't please everyone. I guess it's a balance of marketing and being recognised locally.

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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:34 pm

I am still not quite sure why they need an airport there anyway.

We have, Manchester, Leeds Bradford, Sheffield and Humberside all quite close. Sheffield hasn't been right successful - so why should RHDSI be? I don't see the demand for another airport myself. MAN and LBA are enough for the region.

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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:35 pm

Aye, but it's convenience: if people can fly to XYZ from their local airport, instead of travelling to MAN, LBA or elsewhere, for about the same money or perhaps a bit more, they would be willing to do so. Also, Sheffield, Doncaster, Hull, etc., are all pretty big places.
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:45 pm

Personally, I think that this could take off (no pun intended) as quite a succesful airport. It could certainly do some damage to LBA and HUY, (maybe not to MAN) because of it's great location and good transport links - close to A1/M18 and has a railway station on site that could easily be expanded.

It's long runway that is not ontop of one of the highest hills in the region is also a plus point too.

It could also be a scuccesful cargo airport also due to the good links to the motorway network and also with the rail link too. (Don't think that has been done has it a rail freight terminal alongside an airport ?? Would take a hell of a lot of lorries off the roads if it were done I think. - should mail that to them as a suggestion  Big grin )

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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:38 am

Great, named after someone who probably did not even exist.
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:39 am

That'll teach me to be sarcastic, of course I meant HARRY Potter!
 
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:40 am

Aye, but PEOPLE RECOGNISE IT! Like people would instantly recognise Yorkshire Dales Airport, Lake District Airport, Shakespeare Country Airport, Cotswolds Airport, etc. It's just a marketing ploy, which is, in my opinion, good. I can imagine a Japanese person planning her trip to the UK. 'I want to go to the Lake District', she says. 'Look! There's an airport called Lake District Airport. I'm going to fly into there!', she continues. Instantly recognisable.

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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:44 am

My God. The lack of any coherant long-term air travel policy is really going to fruition now.

Instead of opening up a new, and unnessecary airport, why wasn't LBA's runway extended? Extend the runway, improve apron space, give it a train station (a rail line runs very close to the airport), improve road links, and you have the only other major airport you need in the North of England, after MAN. Instead of charter airlines splitting operations between MAN, LBA and Finningly, they could be spread between two airport, which would be better for the airlines and passengers. What happens when a based aircraft goes tech at LBA (and soon Finningly)? Passengers are bussed to MAN - not satisfactory for the airline or passengers. With two large centres of operations, there could be two real choices for charter passengers, rather than the situation which WILL arrise where MAN will be the first choice, with LBA and Finningly a lucky guess - where you have to hope the charter airline your flying by is operating flights to your destination from that airport this season.

As a cargo airport, it's a non-starter, EMA is too close.

As with Sheffield "International", the powers that be have yet again shown they haven't a clue
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:48 am

But 'International' implies that it's more important and larger. Again, it's a marketing ploy. Very good, too.
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:53 am

There will be another debate over this one too just like there was about EMA. Doncaster Finningley International Airport sounds alright.

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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:55 am

I was actually talking about the first Sheffield 'International', Sheffield City SZD/EGSY as an example of how the current policy is going all wrong.
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:48 am

Here's some names that are easily recognisable and have ties to the region. Say them out loud, they have quite a nice ring to them...

Full Monty International Airport (FMI)
James Herriot International Airport (JHI)
Arthur Scargill International Airport (ASI)
Def Leppard International Airport (DLI)
Human League International Airport (HLI)

To name just a few....

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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:18 am

Don't forget DuranDuran International!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:21 am

777236ER - I couldn't agree more!

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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:23 am

Hopefully, Doni International will have some cracking night clubs in its duty free shopping mall in homage to this great Northern Town.
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:56 am

This is quite interesting - a new international airport for the Sheffield, Rotherham and Doncaster area. But to name it after Robin Hood is a bit strange, although it's a good marketing name, I must admit. Robin Hood was said to have been from Nottinghamshire, but not Yorkshire - unless a part of South Yorkshire was at one time a part of Nottinghamshire. Forgive me for any ignorance on my part, but I'm well aware that many counties in England underwent major boundary and even name changes in 1973 or so.

How large is that new airport to be in terms of passenger traffic? Would it be able to channel a certain amount of airline traffic from MAN if MAN should become too crowded in the future and cannot expand anymore? I don't know if MAN is in trouble when it comes to a major expansion like LHR and probably LGW. But I know MAN's about 1.5 hours from Sheffield by motorway. In fact, Sheffield is where my mom, being from Northern England, is supposed to go after flying into MAN this July, since I have an aunt and uncle living there.

I would think South Yorkshire might have enough of a market population to at least support some charter and perhap LCC service a la Ryanair or EasyJet, if not scheduled. There's something like at least 2.5-3 million peole in South Yorkshire alone. That is roughly the same as Manchester itself. But something went wrong with Sheffield City (SZD) in the past, so what gives?

Oh yeah, isn't there a John Lennon International in Liverpool? After all, that's where the Beatles originally came from.
 
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:07 am

"Oh yeah, isn't there a John Lennon International in Liverpool?"

Yep! It handles primarily U2 and Euromanx flights, plus some charters and quite a lot of freight flights.

I suspect a London (Gatwick?) connection might be quite good, plus flights to BHD and possibly EDI and GLA.
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:31 am

As Samurai777 has said, surely the vast majority of people who hear the name of Robin Hood think of Sherwood Forest, Nottingham and Nottinghamshire, in other words Nottingham East Midlands Airport!

How many 'uneducated' air travellors are going to fall for the Robin Hood name and then turn up at NEMA for their flight?

Maybe EZY could include some of the confused passengers turning up at NEMA in the next series of Airline?

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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:59 am

Finningley is virtually in Nottinghamshire, in fact part of the old airfield site may well be in the county.

The marketing types appear to be justifying the decision on the grounds that many of the real people who made up the Robin Hood legend did actually come from Yorkshire. From there they go to some symbiosis of Robin Hoods history with the fact they are serving South Yorkshire and North Nottinghamshire........they said it not me.

Apparently an announcement regarding routes is going to be made next week, the spokesman on the tv report I saw said it would concern multiple carriers, stressing the plural.

 
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 6:03 am

It was mentioned here last week that Thomsonfly.com are supposed to be one of the carriers, not sure who else though.
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Wed Apr 14, 2004 6:07 am

The new airport will also be very handy in the future for Inter Milan and Real Madrid when they come to play Doncaster Rovers in the Champions League.
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:00 am

Is it coincidence that Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International's owners are Peel Holdings, owners of Liverpool John Lennon? Seems they are keen for the theme of naming an airport after a person which is new to the UK at least.
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:07 am

By the time you call up air traffic for joining instructions you would of already landed and drove home with a name as long as that.
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RE: Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield International

Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:20 am

And some folks from across the red side of the A52 moaned about bmi baby putting a sheep on a plane. Just wait until they find out Yorkshire has nicked the no1 tourist attraction. Makes you wonder why they didn't re-name EMA as Friar Tuck Regional.