Refueler1974
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Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:06 pm

Does anyone know, or have any ideas about, what Northwest might replace the A320 with eventually? I have been told that their 1st A320 is nearing it's 15th birthday (August 1, 1989). I do know that they are still good aircraft and they still have a lot of life left in them, but do you think that NW will start replacing the oldest airframes anytime soon? If so, what might be their successor?
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:08 pm

DC9's will be replacing the A320s as their phased out. Big grin


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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:10 pm

Yeah they will replace them very soon with more DC-9's. Sorry couldnt resist. No they will probably be around for 20 more years, at least.

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:14 pm

That's a pretty rhetorical question....if NW can keep their -9's for 30+ years, expect a NG a/c like a 320 to be around for 40+....but, at the retirement, the last 320 crew will be picked up by a -9 crew.

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Refueler1974
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:14 pm

Gee....here I was expecting them to go dust off some old B707s and bring them back into service.....just to supplement the DC-9s....lol
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:24 pm

A320s will NEVER last as long as the DC9s. The DC9s are rock solid aircraft that be slamed around, abused, smashed, and then put back at the gate looking like a million bucks. So back to the original question. The DC9s will replace the A320s
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:08 pm

I was reading in another thread (757/767 Production) that NW 's MX guys find that the 320 sucks as it gets older..true?..so down with Airbus!  Big grin

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:22 pm

DC-9-40 for the 319
DC9-50 for A320
possibly a 717 or two in their but NW insisted they change the name to DC-9-60 or no go for Boeing.
 
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:33 pm

Ive heard rumors about the complaints the NW mechanics have had about the A320 in general.....so it must be true. I wonder if they complain about the A319 too.

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:46 pm

At NW's current rate of a/c retirement, expect to see A320s to start disappearing around 2024.
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:15 pm

Why would the A320 'suck' any more then another aircraft of its age? I think thats just silly.

Put I think its possible that NW will use the A320 way into my mid 2015!

But they look nice in their new livery (can you tell I am female)

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:20 pm

The 320 will be with Northwest for a long time yet. They actually compliment the DC9 very nicely.

As for Airbus poor maintenance as it get older. It must be true, why else would CZ, jetblue, Frontier, and other 320 family users keep ordering in such quantity. They hate them, and their future maintenance costs will put them out of business in 10 years, it is all in their 10 year plans. Start airline or go to single aircraft fleet, run it for 10 years, sink it and open beach bar in Phuket. And we all thought they purchased because they were a good plane, which customers like, we must all look stupid!!

For my fellow Statesiders who love Boeing, the 380 could have more US content than the 7E7. Airbus should send more work to US instead of Japan, we buy their planes, the Japanese would prefer to buy a 707 over the 332.
 
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:23 pm

I don't think that it's even feasible to be talking about the replacement of NW's 320's now---they're still babies in the grand scheme of things. NW is happy with them and I'm sure that they are going to be around for a long time. This question is like asking what jetBlue intends to replace their 320's way the hell down the road from now. Who knows? (and no that is not an invite to make more speculative remarks)
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:24 pm

hii folcks!!!

Reading all this posts... and this is not the only one... i get the ideia that some Boeing fans, unhappy with boeing's performance in market just came to this places to spread confusion saying that the X airline is not happy with this airbus, or that one is going to replace their new airbus, etc.

This type of thing really "sucks"... this is a hard "sucking".!!

I hate to hear that! Does any one ever heared that the X airline is going to change their new Boeing Model for an airbus?

But what drives me mad is that when somebody makes this never revel the source... just say that "i heared that....."!

Instead of trying to distroy the good work made by the european engineers, why don't you go to Boeing and give them ideias to build a new model?
They perhaps will thank you... and perhaps pay you!

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:25 pm

Yes, back to topic ...

We don't really have a precedent in terms of judging the longevity of airbus aircraft as none of them are as old as the likes of the DC9. We could look at the early A300 and say there aren't many of these around (with pax carriers anyway) but I suspect that is as much to do with poor payload / range capabilities of these early aircraft and suspect economies rather than the physical condition of the aircraft.

Only time will tell whether the A320s last as long as some 737s / dc9s but I'm sure replacing these aircraft is the last thing NW fleet planners are thinking of at the moment. I'd say they've got 10 years before they even need to think about this and given NWs form maybe a little longer.
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:56 pm

We could look at the early A300 and say there aren't many of these around (with pax carriers anyway) but I suspect that is as much to do with poor payload / range capabilities of these early aircraft and suspect economies rather than the physical condition of the aircraft.

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:07 pm

This is a comical thread. I needed a good laugh this morning. Thanks all !

NWA is still getting new A320 and A319 aircraft or at least has in the last year. So if anything. They would replace older 320 with new 320. I was just on ship 3315 (N315US) this past week. Still running like a champ and I think the manufacture date was sometime in 1990.

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:49 pm

For my fellow Statesiders who love Boeing, the 380 could have more US content than the 7E7.

Not could. Does. More of the 380 is sourced from the US than the 7E7.

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:54 pm

What about 757 replacements?

Some of them have been around since before the Republic Northwest merger. I remember Northwest starting to take them around 1984-85 so some are at least 20 years old. I know the old Republic ones went to America West
 
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:55 pm

NW 320´s will be replaced by A320-300X or the ER in the future Big grin

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:56 pm

Re: More of the 380 is sourced from the US than the 7E7.

That's genuinely interesting, I didn't know that. Could lead to a few new slogans...

Airbus A380 - "America's Airplane"
Boeing 7E7 - "Japan's Airplane"

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:45 pm

NW will not replace the A320 anytime soon....nor even start thinking about it. The A320 is a good aircraft, quiet and roomy...although maybe break out some 727-100s!
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:16 pm

You guys are all making great points...so can I raise this question:

what would you rather fly on, a DC-9 or an A-320? Stick me on a DC-9 anyday baby!

Unfortunately the last time I had the opportunity to fly on one was AirTran's ValuJet days--we actually flew on the one that crashed in the Everglades a few months before that incident...but of course, the plane wasn't to blame so stick me on the DC-9 anyday!

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:17 pm

Ive heard rumors about the complaints the NW mechanics have had about the A320 in general. . ."

Oh? In general, you say? Don't you mean the very early V2525 powered aircraft which are susceptible to oil leaks? That was an engine problem rather than an airframe problem.

I've heard rumors that the 320V's are now treated like hot rods and are specially deployed where short runway performance is a factor. And that probably explains why they show up at DCA a lot.

 
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:19 pm

NW never had any V2525 powered aircraft, so I'm not sure I'm following you.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

If you mean at other places, sure.

I'm confused.

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:47 pm

Perfect example for both me and AirframeAS. Gross inaccuracy is the trouble with rumors.

Here's how this rant goes. I was sitting in the passenger lounge at SNA @ gate 3 last year (January 21 2003 to be exact) waiting for my SNA-MSP flight to board. The flight was eventually cancelled because the plane's #2 engine had an oil leak that was giving the repair crew problems. Some of the regular OC flyers I was chatting with suggested they knew "the cause" of it all. One guy's itinerary document showed the plane was a "320V, and that stands for V2525 or V2528." The conversation continued that these were "early models" that "proved troublesome" and had been deployed to special routes "because of their hot-rod-like performance." Of course MSP-SNA would be a special route.

It made great lounge conversation as the frequent flyers headed to the Sportsman's Bar after being rebooked on other airlines.

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:07 am

NW has ordered some former FL DC9s to replace some A320 aircraft

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:23 am

Between 2010 and 2015, NW will probably need to think about replacing its earliest A320s. At that time, who knows how the market will look? Will NW even be around (I'm betting yes)? What version of the 737 will be in production at that time? Will Boeing have developed a brand-new short-to-medium range aircraft by that time? Will Embraer have an all-new A320/737 fighter by then?

So many questions and it is difficult to speculate. We won't know until it is time to think about retiring the A320s.
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:40 am

32V is an in house code for the 320's that were delivered with IFE. It has since been removed from those aircraft, however, the 32V is still the designation for those airframes. NWA A320 are powered by CFM engines.

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:43 am

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:47 pm

Perfect example for both me and AirframeAS. Gross inaccuracy is the trouble with rumors.

All I was told (by a former NW mechanic) when I was with AS is that the NW MX mechanics were (at the time...) complaining endlessly about the A320 family. I didnt get specifics or any details beyond that.

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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:37 pm

i thought i read somewhere that NWA dc9s have the highest dispatch reliability out of all NWA aircraft...anyone know if this is true? maybe they should ditch those airbus....  Big grin
 
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:45 pm

Based on the last info I had, NW's DC9s did in fact have the highest dispatch reliability in the fleet. There is a caveat, however: there are more of them than any other ship in the fleet, and typically NW will have 6 or more operational spares, so that may impact the net % figure.

As far as what I'd rather fly on, I love them both. Both nice airplanes. No question the D9 is/will be more durable, but at this time, I'd prefer the 320 if only for 3 reasons: seat width, pressurization, and engine noise if you have a seat in the back.

A320 seats are 1" wider than D9 and 737, as the fuselage itself is wider as well as the aisle. Also, the pressurization on A319/320 family is a bit smoother than the D9. My ears can tell the difference.
 
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RE: Northwest A320 Replacements?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:45 pm

Those DC9s are Douglas jets, they are built like tanks. I ran into a NW Dc9 pilot in ATL, and he said he'd rather be flying metal than plastic.
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