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Why No A340 Freighter?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:02 am

i realized today in my airport ops class when we were dicussing ground cargo handling that airbus does not offer a dedicated freighter version of the A340. any specific reason behind this?
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:15 am

Airbus offers the A300 as a freighter. The A300F does a damn good job for UPS, DHL, and FedEx... and since any A340F would have basically the same capacity as a A300F, why bother with changing it?
 
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:54 am

Actually, Airbus have been mooting an A330-200F model in recent years. I have no idea how far down the pipeline this project is, but it is certainly under consideration.

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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:26 am

Guess Fed Ex would jump for joy if there would be 332 ERF, I know they dont have 767F in their fleet, but alots of 300/310/MD11.....in the future perhaps!!
Hmmm, wonder how much $$$$ 380F cost for FedEx???

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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:30 am

The 332F is complete and ready for launch. Just needs a customer.

The A300F does a damn good job for UPS, DHL, and FedEx... and since any A340F would have basically the same capacity as a A300F, why bother with changing it?

A 340-600F would have almost double the capacity of a 300F and a lot more range.

Even the 332F would have more range, which would be a good answer to the 767F on international routes.

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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:06 am

Converting older airliners has proven to be much cheaper in the past then buying new freighters.

In the next few years look for a lot of 747-400 conversions to be done.
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:29 pm

There's no room for an A340F simply because Boeing did such a damn good job designing & marketing the 747F's.

And yes, converting older planes to F's is much cheaper. Any way you put, you can't get anymore bang for your buck than with a 747, for any type of aftermarket conversions; e.g.: I wanna see an A340 do this:

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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:50 am

The point is not everyone needs a 747 sized freigher aircraft.

I'd say the success of the DC-10F and MD-11F are responsible for not requiring an A340F at this time.

That will change.

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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:34 am

Are you kidding? The 340-200 & -300 could barely get off the ground with passengers. I would hate to see it try to take off with loads of cargo. It might look like it's coming in for a landing instead of taking off. This isn't a bash against Airbus, but the -200 and -300 versions are known for bad climbs, however the -500 and -600 versions are much better.

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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:45 am

What does climb have to do with it getting off the ground?? One thing is the aircraft having a slow climb....but that has nothing to do with it being able to take off.
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:02 am

whenever Boeing finally gets around to giving the 772LRF the go-ahead... you'll more than likely see some freighter of similar size from Airbus (perhaps an A345F?)
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:59 pm

We'll never see an A340 freighter because the A340 is the same fuselage as the A330 with the mere addition of a 4 engine setup for extra and ultra long range flights as a safety feature. Freighters don't need this safety feature, so there is no need to waste money on maintaing a 4 engine A340 when a 2 engine A330 will haul the same cargo cheaper...
 
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:28 pm

As far as I'm aware both 330 and 340 would have a smaller cargo capacity in weight (I would assume 340 would carry even less than 330?) than MD11F currently offers (somewhere around 94t). Also 330 would have one (or two) maindeck pallet position less but one more in lower Aft hold.

I saw a study of a 330 freighter capabilities the other day but didn't have a chance to look into details  Sad
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:34 pm

Would the 777's (or maybe the A330/340) fuselage be TOO round for economical freight? Would they have to design all new containers just to take advantage of the more curved interior?
 
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:06 am

What does climb have to do with getting off the ground??

Let's ask that question to all of the people who died on US Airways Express flight 5481 in Charlotte.

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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:27 am

ArmitageShanks (lovely username BTW  Big grin), the A300/310 is just as round as the 330/340, so that's probably not the issue.
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:26 am

Also the EK A343 which just luckily barely got off the ground in Johannesburg becasue of bad weilght distribution as they claim. I guess it's better to lift early than late.
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:33 am

You can't really blame the A343 for bad loading.
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:38 am

I believe the A343 would make an excellent cargo aircraft if it were to have a lighter wing and 4 trent 500s wouldn't you all agree? it would be over powerd like the MD11. so that means it can take alot of weight for I would say atleast 6000nm.
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:43 am

@Starionblue
But used as a freighter, I was trying to emphasize that the chance of bad loading maybe a very likely event and the standard A343 may not handle it well.
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 4:20 am

whenever Boeing finally gets around to giving the 772LRF the go-ahead..

You're letter happy.

Such a configuration would be the 777-200F.

We'll never see an A340 freighter because the A340 is the same fuselage as the A330 with the mere addition of a 4 engine setup for extra and ultra long range flights as a safety feature.

The A340 is a heavier plane. It carries more weight longer distances. While there is a difference in engine strategy, that's not the only difference.

But used as a freighter, I was trying to emphasize that the chance of bad loading maybe a very likely event and the standard A343 may not handle it well.

Nothing would handle it well. You overload a plane, it has problems.

Let's ask that question to all of the people who died on US Airways Express flight 5481 in Charlotte.

Uh huh, what a tasteful reference.

The 340 has a slow climb, not a negative one like that Beech had.

As far as I'm aware both 330 and 340 would have a smaller cargo capacity in weight (I would assume 340 would carry even less than 330?) than MD11F currently offers (somewhere around 94t).

An A330 would have a smaller cargo capacity, yes.

An A340 would obviously have more than an A330, since the plane can hoist much more weight.

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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:12 am

the A343 would make an excellent cargo aircraft if it were to have a lighter wing and 4 trent 500s wouldn't you all agree?

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Such a configuration would be the 777-200F

Says who?

Case in point: 744ERF


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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:44 pm

I think an a340-600 Frieghter would scare me alot because of the length of the plane. Maybe if the converted an A340-200 it wouldn't seem so bad and it would have great range. I can see alot of cargo airlines going for this.
 
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:16 pm

Case in point: 744ERF

There was already a 747-400F.

Therefore the 747-400F/ER is not the default.

The 767-300F is a 767-300ER, but only referred to as the 763F.

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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 3:00 pm

In due course, it's inevitable a 343 conversion program will commence. In 10 years perhaps. Whether newbuild 343F's will happen is anyone's guess.
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RE: Why No A340 Freighter?

Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:19 pm

DfwneedsQF, why would the length of an A346F scare you? The An-225 is longer, and any proposed A389F will be too... Finally it's only a couple of meters longer than the 744F
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