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Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 2:59 am

You know, traveling through Savannah-Hilton Head International Airport, I notice that AA is missing. Now I know that AA used to fly to RDU, however, now that they have all but left RDU, we have no service here.....Does anyone know why??? How can CO, DL, FL, UA, US, and, NW fly here but no AA??? Thanks

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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:38 am

Because the southeast has historically been AA's weakest region of the country. With DL at ATL, FL at ATL, US at CLT, NW at MEM, and even UA at IAD, there's really no reason for AA to be there. DL already flies non-stop from DFW, which is probably sufficient for that city pair.

The only thing I really find odd is that AA doesn't offer a MIA-SAV flight. SAV currently doesn't have any nonstop service to Florida, but to an extent that makes sense, because most Floridians aren't going to vacation in Georgia or South Carolina. In addition, SAV is already a large RJ airport, and AA's RJ operation at MIA is limited at best. AA probably doesn't want to dedicate mainline aircraft to this market, or waste its time with turboprops.

Just my $.02.
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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:39 am

American Eagle did fly SAV-MIA with the ATR.... quite a long way in that aircraft, depending on the winds.

More recently (as in within the last two years or so), Eagle flew DFW-SAV with RJs but the service didn't work out and was cancelled.
 
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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:41 am

AEagle flew to SAV, twice daily each from Miami and Dallas. Service was cut as a result of AA's major cutbacks after September 2001.

I would not be surprised to see AA return to MIA-SAV in the future.
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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:45 am

They even used to fly DFW-SAV-JAX-DFW many years ago until RDU opened. Big grin
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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:53 am

Back when the RDU hub was at its peak, AA flew to both SAV and HHH. SAV was mainline with 727's, and HHH received the ATR-42, with the occasional Saab 340.
 
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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:00 am

Considering that Eagle has been flying some long routes out of ORD, ORD-SAV would not surprise me. But that will be a long time in coming
 
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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:11 am

Now I know that AA used to fly to RDU, however, now that they have all but left RDU, we have no service here.....


I know it's not the point of this thread, but with ~80 flights/day to 16 (soon 18) destinations I wouldn't say AA has "all but left RDU."

As far as SAV I have to agree that AA's not there because they just aren't that strong in the south. For example, they only have 10 flights/day to the state of Alabama (BHM, HSV), 8 flights/day to JAX, 6 flights/day to South Carolina (GSP), and 3 flights/day to GSO. They also don't fly to Charleston or Myrtle Beach and they have similar O&D as SAV.
 
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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:01 am

Would AA be interested in the CLT hub......if US dissappears?
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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:42 am

When AA shut down its RDU hub, which focused on moving passengers north and south on the US east coast, SAV became a difficult city for AA to serve. When the RDU hub was in full operation, AA had 3 mainline flights from SAV to RDU primarily with 727 and 72S aircraft. (Same was true for Charleston, SC) Later, AA tried service to DFW but it really did not work as the flights generally were routed via JAX, so most connecting destinations were atleast 2 stops away. I am not sure if AA ever tried a SAV-ORD flight (I know that UA did at one time) and for some strange reason no airline can seem to make a SAV-MIA (or a CHS-MIA) flight work (National and then Piedmont tried to make these routes work long ago, and no one has every been succesful). As pointed out, the Southeast is AA's weak spot in its US coverage, which is unusual due AA's large presence at MIA. Maybe regional jets will be the answer - something like a EMB145LR could make routes from SAV to ORD or DFW a success.

Cities like SAV (and CHS and other smaller southern cities) are Delta country, and passengers seem to stick with DL even if it means transiting ATL to almost every destination.
 
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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:51 am

Hi everyone,
From what I heard, RDU has a major chunk of AA's focus right now. I heard that they were considering making RDU another "Mini-hub" in the near future due to their lack of southeast service. If this plan goes through, you can be guaranteed that SAV service will be on the list.

Anyone else hear about this?

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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:54 am

As pointed out, the Southeast is AA's weak spot in its US coverage, which is unusual due AA's large presence at MIA.

American Eagle is planning to build-up a Southeast feed network out of MIA. It has already started with Richmond added in January, and Eagle complimenting mainline with additional flights to Charlotte and Nashville. Memphis will be added in December. Also look for Greensboro, Greer, Birmingham, Norfolk, and Louisville to be added down the line, among others. The flights will mainly be to capture O&D (not hard considering most will be flown with 37 and 40-seat ERJs) and Caribbean connections.

As of now, though, it still won't add any new destinations, but it will greatly increase one-stop connections to key markets in the Caribbean. I have heard Savannah, Myrtle Beach, and Charleston are being tossed around for the long term, but they are at least two-three years off. Those two would be resumed Southeast markets for AA.

The thing with MIA-SAV/CHS markets is that South Floridians in general simply perfer to go the Caribbean, Keys, and the Bahamas. They are, after all, much closer, and for South Floridians especially, good deals and airfare are very easy to come by, since many tour companies, resorts, etc. offer a plethora of "last minute" weekend get away deals. Spirit, however, has done very well with FLL-MYR. It went from seasonal to year-round, and next winter Spirit will operate a second-daily flight on the route.
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RE: Why No AA In SAV?

Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:18 am

"I am not sure if AA ever tried a SAV-ORD flight (I know that UA did at one time) and for some strange reason no airline can seem to make a SAV-MIA (or a CHS-MIA) flight work"

UA has 4 daily SAV-ORD flights M-F, 5 on Sat, and 6 on Sun with CRJ-200's (DH and ZW). And this time of year I would say about 80-90 percent of the time they are full if not oversold. That in mind, you can also say that perhaps 50-60 percent of the time the outbounds (SAV-ORD) are delayed for flow control also. I know this because I am one of the UA agents in SAV.  Big grin
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