Leneld
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Boise Hub Potential

Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:12 am

With Boise location in the US, I was wondering could it work as a west Coast or East to West hub?
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:17 am

A.net rumors has Airtran setting up base there for the west coast....don't really know where they would put them for now...think with F9 in town every gate is full.
WN might add a few more flights to town maybe one day a MDW non-stop. but can't really see BOI becoming a mecca of anything any time soon, maybe RNO, think they would have a better chance or maybe even SMF....maybe UPS will set up that RAP hub people have been cooking up for years....but first Elsworth has to close....
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:17 am

Its location happens to be one of its biggest problems.

It's not centrally located in the west. It's too close to PDX and SEA, but not close enough to many western areas. SLC, by comparison, is much more centrally located, easier to get to.


Facilities are an issue. BOI has room to expand, but the current terminal is small and couldn't support much of a hub at all for mainline service, but as an RJ hub, BOI would be just fine.


The population center doesnt have much O&D traffic either. Boise's biggest curse it it's proximity to PDX and SEA, which have more opportunity for majors to make a buck, more O&D traffic, and, better facilities to accomodate expansion.

If Boise were more of a tourist destination, however, this logic would not apply. But it isn't really. You have some seasonal traffic for Sun Valley, but that's not enough to sustain a full-fledged hub opportunity. At the very most, Boise may one day become a focus city for an airline, but becoming an actual major hub, is a long way off, if ever. And I say this as a resident of SE idaho.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:47 am

After flying in over Christmas at the height of the ski season there still was not much activity.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:14 am

If PDX can hardlt sustain a hub, BOI will not be able to!

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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:34 am

If ATA were to accquire 717 aircraft I think this would be a great opportunity for them...unless they merged with AirTran.
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:13 pm

PDX will rebound again once our state economy improves and I'm sure Alaska flights will be back to pre 9/11 levels. Speaking of Boise, which I believe is the topic at hand , I'm wondering if Horizon could successfully build up it presence in Boise connecting the west with the Midwest and possibly the south.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:16 pm

Are you serious?!?!? A hub in BOI?!?!? There is NO frickin way a hub will ever be developed in BOI for an aray of various reasons. Now i'm sure some will argue an airline could set-up a hub there but lets' be real!!!! How much of a hub are we talking here? A hub consisting of Dash's, Beechcrafts, and some RJ's does not qualify as a legitimate hub in my book.

A hub in BOI......absurd  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:36 pm

Are airlines still adding hubs? It seems to me that O and D is where the attention is.
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:59 pm

Speaking of Boise what happened to ILUVBOI?????
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:56 am

What's the population of BOI? Maybe 250,000 for the entire metro area? No way it'll ever be a hub.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:58 am

Absolute folly. No way, no how ever.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:08 am

Boise MSA in 2000 was just over 432,000 according to demographia.com, around 410,000 according to the Boise Convention and Visitor's Bureau. It has a well developing technology sector, and the area's growth rate between 1990-2000 was around 46%. Not large enough to support a hub, Eagle couldn't even make a profit on 2 daily to DFW.

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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:10 am

BOI-DFW was a bad idea anyway, there isn't a market for that.


BOI-DEN would be pushing it I think, but would likely be profitable with the right aircraft.

BOI-SEA, as you know, is a good market for AS, BOI-PDX has a slightly smaller market but given a 717 I bet that would work as well. BOI-SLC is of course another good market because most people in eastern idaho would rather drive to SLC for a flight than drive to BOI. I bet it's much the same in Boise, so you provide an option to fly people to a large hub like SLC, and that works. WN is making it work for them.

SFO, LAX, OAK, RNO, AS / KLAS), USA - Nevada">LAS, SLC, PDX, SEA, DEN, maybe PHX...and maybe...though not likely....ORD. Those are the possible markets I see for BOI, and a few of them are already being flown by AS mainline or WN. Some of these would support a 100 pax airliner twice a day, some would support 80 pax once a day. BOI-SEA and BOI-SLC are your best bets for a full airliner.


But, that does not make a hub. Again, the best Boise can ever be for a while is a focus city. It doesnt have the facilities, the market, the O&D, or the right location.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 3:17 am

I don't see BOI ever being a hub. Not good geographically and not enough population. Incidently, the two largest markets from BOI are SEA and PDX. SLC is actually down the list. The other issue is BOI is pretty well served as it is. QX/AS has a sizeable operation there as well as WN. They also have F9, UA, NW, HP, DL all flying in.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:31 am

Well, BOI already has low fares. BOI has a small population base that can't even support a regional operation. Remember, Horizon tried to fly San Fran, San Diego, Phoenix and Denver and stopped all of those flights. Only Sacramento has remained in the post 9-11 environment. Dallas failed. Denver has been down sized by Frontier and United. San Fran, Salt Lake have been down sized. Yeah, an AirTran hub at BOI would be a wonderful idea if they wanted to get hammered by Horizon/Alaska and Southwest. A wonderful idea if you just want to lose money. Boise is nicely served today.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:46 am

Boise does not have much potential as a hub due to its geographical location and it lack of ability to provide lots of O&D traffic.....hubs only make money if there is adequate local demand to supplement connecting traffic. The fact that Southwest provides service to Boise, and the fact that Horizon/Alaska have a loyal following in the northwest USA also does not help matters.

Also, at this point in time, the last thing the US airline system needs is another hub.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:27 am

I don't think Boise has the potential to become a hub because what airlines needs a new hub at the moment. For Delta it is too close to SLC. For Northwest to close to SEA. Continetal hubs are way one the other side of the country. AA doesn't need any more major hubs they have plenty. Plus who would even want to station their airlines in Idaho? I would rather place it in Canada then in Idaho.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:29 am

As much as I like Boise, and it's airport, it will never sustain hub traffic. NEVER. PDX in my opinion is a much better spot for a hub city than Boise. The population for one thing is a major pitfall. There just aren't enough people to support a major hub city in BOI. In my opinion, COS has a better chance of becoming a hub: 1. relationship to DEN 2. Unwillingness of travelers in COS to drive to DEN 3. Willingness of DEN travelers to drive south for a better fare 4. Nice terminal with about 6 or so completely vacant gates. Sorry to all those in BOI, but it will never receive a nod to become a hub city.

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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:45 am

I wouldn't say never. I just would say..."not for the forseeable future".
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:34 pm

As for the topic of a FL hub there, that is something pulled out of nothing. As I hear it now, we are not even looking at BOI. If we are looking at any cities in the NW it is SEA and PDX, however PDX is barely on our radar now. BOI is a long shot for FL service any time soon...


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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:25 pm

Oh come on, according to sources of some people on here, we are supposed to get FL and CO Express yesterday! LOL.

Boise will not be a hub for anything other than a Metro operating cargo operation.

And frankly, with how fares are priced at hubs, who the hell wants to be. I'd much rather see 10 airlines with 70 flights than 2 airlines with 100.

Right now, we have:
Northwest 2x to MSP +3rd Summer and every other two weeks other times of year, it seems. All A319/320.

United 1 ORD 737
3 DEN 737 3 CRJ(OO)
6 SFO CRJ (OO)
America West 2 PHX 737

Delta 2 SLC 738 6 CRJ (OO)

Frontier 2 DEN CR7 (QX)

Alaska 2 SEA Md80, 737 eff 4/25

Horizon Sea,Pdx,Lws,Pih,Ida,Sjc,Lax,Smf,Geg w/ 25 flts DH8,DH4,CR7

Southwest Sea,Pdx,Geg,Las,Rno,Oak,Slc 18 flts w/ (you guessed it) 737

oh, and Salmon Air to Salmon,ID (SMN) in Navajos 8 flts/week.

We have enough service in my opinion.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:09 pm

Oh, I forgot to put in Big Sky Airlines and their 1 daily Metro to Missoula. That is kind of funny because I usually like to count their pax to see how they are doing.
Since they went to the one BOI-MSO-BIL routing, they seem to get 12-18 pax/flt.

Anyway,as has been said above, BOI too small pop area and facilities are not conducive to a large scale hub operation!
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:03 am

Capitol8s:

No way TZ will merge with FL.


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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:26 am

Well, according to Compass, a regional planning organization, together Ada and Canyon County (Boise MSA) will total over 500,000. In 2025, the two counties are projected to reach nearly 700,000 in total. Not exactly small. But passenger counts are down at BOI. But with WN and my own airline AS/QX that will hamper anyone starting anything here for awhile.
 
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RE: Boise Hub Potential

Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:04 am

Sorry. 500,000 at years end (2004).

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