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Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:27 pm

As reported in the media

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US Airways Considering Eliminating First Class

The St. Petersburg Times reports that US Airways has reduced the size of first class on Boeing 757s citing "too many upgrades" and is considering eliminating it altogether on domestic routes.

On its 757s, US Airways reportedly has reduced the first class cabin from 24 seats to just eight. The airline also reportedly scrapped plans to have first class aboard its new Embraer 170s and is considering eliminating first class on routes where the carrier competes with low-fare airlines or even domestic wide.

"The vast majority of people in first class domestically on all routes are upgraded," US Airways spokesman David Castelveter told the newspaper. "In some markets, there's a greater use of upgrades than others. On Las Vegas and Florida (flights), we were maintaining seats for upgrades."

Through their use of Song and Ted, Delta and United also are reducing first class capacity on routes to leisure destinations.

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Not a good way to retain your frequent flyer and business passengers

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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:30 pm

Would they just shut the doors already...they are not gonna have a product that passenger will value. They are on their way to the desert boneyard...

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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:32 pm

Yeah, lets screw over our loyal customers...
 
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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:34 pm

Eliminating first class? This is just fiddling.

US needs to reduce labour costs to survive. Immediate 25-50% pay cuts for everyone. Ony this will save the airline. It really is this significant. And simple.
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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:40 pm

Let's take away the one solid moneymaker, and kill some primo corporate accounts.

Justa polishin the brass on the titanic sir! Gonna see alotta black tails against that brown Mojave desert eh? Some aircraft storage people are probably popin' the brandy right now.

Hopefully USAir employees realize they're gonna lose 100% of their pay soon, cutting even 90% of my pay would be better than the whole bunch. Hopefully it never goes this far with DL....

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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:56 pm

Through their use of Song and Ted, Delta and United also are reducing first class capacity on routes to leisure destinations.

I thought Ted didnt have F/C....but has E+.

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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:17 pm

I've asked it before, and I'll ask it again - can anyone provide an instance or example where pay cuts proved to be the "ultimate solution" to a carrier's fiscal difficulties? Concessions are only a band-aid placed on a gaping wound - in three to six months, the band-aid needs to be changed with more concessions requested. And as far as First Class is concerned, this forum is full of posts from disgruntled passengers ragging on the lack of amenities inherent to domestic F/C service these days. So what would be the loss? Would US abolishing First Class service aid in their cost reduction program? Personally, I haven't a clue.... but they've got to try something other than the never-ending appeal(s) for concessions and pay cuts. Or are we looking at the quintessential "moot point"?
 
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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:45 pm

This CEO is an idiot. Good bye US.
 
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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:03 pm

Hello Spoon04,

Regarding the "pay cut as the ultimate solution" you mentioned, I am afraid this is a true statement. As much as I hate such pragmatic rhetoric, we are in an industry whereas the fixed expenses account for most of the total flying costs. The cost-base of these fixed expenses (and labor is the heaviest item in the equation as we all know) are often inelastic, therefore airlines that can make a buck are very often relying on cheaper salaries and wages outside unions.

Unlike what many people say, I think there is nothing wrong with the "legacy carrier model"... If we check their load-factors, ground-asset utilization and and daily-flying hours, they have never been so sharp! In the other hand, there is a serious problem on how these companies spend their money and if we compare balance-sheets with any LCCs, it is clear that the crucial differences pop up within the cost-center "personnel".

That's why I believe that airlines, such as jetBlue, Frontier and easyJet, were created by opportunistic rather than genius entrepreneurs, who rely their profitability in cheap labor. But if there are both a labor and consumer market willing to accept such trading conditions; this will be the way to go.

US Airways does not have another option to survive if its labor costs do not come closer to those from competition. At least for me, it looks obvious.


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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:36 pm

Yes, USAirways is a sinking ship at this point, I would just get a life preserver and jump, they can not provide a service to rival anyone, can't pay their bills and are going to just get murdered by WN. It's time to hang it up already and put themselves out of their misery.
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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:53 pm

I'm a USAir Silver Preferred and have been for the past 5 years I already sent an email to US Customer Un-Service that included a citation from that article fromt he St. Petersburg Times.

I told US I would not continue to fly them any longer if they either eliminated first class completely or continued to reduce it.

Knowing how unresponsive US is to customer complaints and comments I'm sure nothing will come of it, but I wanted to let them know that they aren't fooling anyone.
 
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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:58 pm

Will you all please shut up about USAIR.

Most, no, all airlines are having trouble at the moment.

I got back from te US yesterday, and flew USAIR internal and international.

There service is great, the seat room is actually bigger on there 757 then there 330 which i was suprised at, but was not that bothered.

On the VEGAS route, there were only 2 people in first class on the service, so what is the point of it if it is not used as much and they can save a bit of money as well.

The crews were great, i wrote to the captain on each flight to vegas asking for info on the flight, and on the 330, the captain delivered it back to me, shook my hand, gave me a route map (filled out) and said he would be glad if i could visit the flight deck after landing.

The 757 captain gave me a map, which i had to give back, but when i got the the flight deck, he told me to sit in the capt chair, and then nicked my vid cam and did a small tour around the cockpit, i was in there around 30 min.

I will definatly use USAIR again

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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:12 pm

It is called re-alligning your product to suit the market. I do not believe anything that US, DL, UA and AA do will make 100% of people happy, they are trying to survive. Offering a product which costs more, and that is not required should be cut. LCC is where the growth is, and the legacy carriers have got to try to get their costs in line. Good luck US Airways and your employees.
 
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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:42 pm

Hello Ciro ! Excellent points, and duly noted. However my friend, I have to ask you, how many more pay concessions will US management request in order to balance the ship? I believe this latest request reflects the third such cut in a relatively short period of time. We just have to wonder if, as mentioned, is it all moot at this time? Perhaps nothing can be done at this point.
 
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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:02 pm

I've got a question:
At any point in time, have the US majors experienced a situation where they ALL had to cut labor costs simultaneously in order to survive? After the deregulation in the '70s? What was the experience like?
Thnx

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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:21 am

I really dont think that is a great idea. 99% of your upgrades come from business travellers. Those are the passengers that you want to keep comming back. Although the fares they are paying are lower, they are paying them more frequently and thus generating the most revenue for an airline.
Furthurmore, if they were to just eliminate it from a few routes you add complexity to your business model by adding different aircraft sub types that can only be flown on certain routes.
Eliminate ALL first class you alienate your Frequent Flier, this could also hurt UAL since the two of the carriers are so closely linked.
Reduce seats ok, but eliminate? Think Carefully!
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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:29 am

Good for USAirways. If they would just offer a product that people are willing to pay for. Since most of the capacity in FC is upgrades then good for them. The more revenue you can pack on an airplane the better. While some love the "freebies" of being a loyal customer. The days of $1000 one way tickets are gone for good. So why on Earth do you think they could make money in FC with upgrades on $299.00 last minute fares. The problem with USAirways is that they have been in limbo far too long. They need to just be a new airline in house. Fly with frequency and convince and use their global alliance partners to the best of their ability. Take on Southwest. jetBlue is better than SWA because it is smaller and they can keep a better lid on employee moral and have that little TV that so many like. If USAirways can just make it a comfortable and seamless, hassle free experience, and get the attitude of employees onboard, they would indeed be unstoppable on the Eastern Seaboard.

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RE: Another US Airways Bad News Story

Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:41 am

Many of the flights operated, even mainline, by US are relatively short haul, that is less than 2- 2 1/2 hours. Assuming they had a decent pitch in coach, do you really need 1st on any of those flights? They should keep business class, and remove 1st class like many airlines have done on many of their routes. 1st should be kept for long-haul, transcon and Trans-atlantic, flights.