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Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:21 am

Italy has jailed the air traffic controller for eight years, and imposed similarly-harsh prison sentences on three other officials after the Milan Linate SAS collision.

Fair punishment or rough justice?
 
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:26 am

I think it's a fair punishment.

But, will this have an impact on procedures at Linate? Or have they already been tightened up?

I remember reading something about some controllers, who were on duty, who went outside to play soccer - was that just a bit of media exaggeration, or did it really happen?
 
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:32 am

Fair punishment IMO! Some flogging would be proper too...
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:46 am

Wow.... that is HARSH! I would think a suspension... but a jail sentence?

But then again, why were they clearing aircraft movements in the first place in the fog? The Tower is after all, a VFR environment! Is Linate equipped with a ground radar?
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:56 am

Linate has ground radar but.... at the time of the accident it had been broken down for 18 months.

Here's another thread on this: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1498140/4/

It's harsh but it was pretty clear that ATC erroneously cleared the Cessna. And three times, no less!
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:59 am

even after the cessna pilot asked for confirmation saying was there not a plane there.


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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:03 am

Good grief, so they were still clearing ground movements in the fog without the assistance of a ground radar. Isn't this against aviation practise in the first place? You simply cannot tell an aircraft that he is "cleared" for take off when you cannot even see what is outside the tower.... This is really committing air-traffic suicide.

I am sure that the controllers at work on that day already have blood on their hands which they can never wash off themselves.
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:06 am

Having landed at Linate more times than I care to remember, I can tell you it's a real foghole. Sadly, the absence of ground radar support and this very accident did not really surprise me. It was just a matter of time.

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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:45 am

Fair justice, that's for sure.

A lot of things were wrong at the airport. E.g. obsolete signs next to the runway. The Cessna pilot (not knowing some of the signs were too old) referred to one of them, when talking the ATC. But the ATC didn't react to this fact!

The morning after the accident, I flew from CPH to BLQ with SAS. The mood of everybody onboard was affected by the tragedy.
BTW - two of the victims, a young couple, came from the town just next to my home town (Holte in Denmark).
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Sat Apr 17, 2004 3:29 am

I have forgotten, what was the death toll in this tragedy?  Sad
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:33 pm

727Lover

114 people lost their life in that tragic accident. Everybody onboard died and some people in the cargo building lost their lives too..  Sad
 
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:37 pm

The Milan area is one of the foggiest in Europe - so it is unbelievable that there was no ground radar - maybe the people who allowed the radar to be out of service for so long should go to jail.

8 years for the Air Traffic Controller seems very harsh
 
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:41 pm

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1498140/4/

8 years is, IMHO, not harsh. ATC was incompetent and people died as a result. If they felt themselves to be under pressure from management to operate in an unsafe manner, they should have walked out.
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:23 pm

Lost a friend in that crash  Crying

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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:27 pm

Sorry to hear that D-ABZE.

What I dont understand is the pilot of SQ006 just gets fired. You kill 100+ people and just get fired because of a mistake. This guy in Itlay also made a mistake that caused people to die and he goes to jail.....
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:38 pm

The law may be different, and the SQ pilot made a mistake, while ATC at Linate knew that they were operating unsafely for months.
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:41 pm

What happened with the SQ guy? I have never heard of that before.
 
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:48 pm

It's the 744 at Taipei that took off in a monsoon. The storm was not the problem. The pilot turned into a runway under repair instead of the active (bad viz) and started his takeoff roll. The plane hit construction stuff on the runway and crashed in flames. A bunch of people died.

EDIT: http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/sing.htm
http://www.airlinesafety.com/editorials/Singapore006.htm


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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:58 pm

Damn... That even happened recently and I never heard of it.
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:44 pm

What I dont understand is the pilot of SQ006 just gets fired. You kill 100+ people and just get fired because of a mistake. This guy in Itlay also made a mistake that caused people to die and he goes to jail.....

N754pr, what is wrong with you? You take every opportunity to take a swipe at SQ? While I am not a know supporter of SIA, I am pretty peeved with your childishness... Keep to the topic, please.

I wonder if the radar in Linate has been reinstalled?
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:50 pm

The radar was fixed, but it's one of those cases of closing the barn door after the horse has left. In any case most traffic has been moved to Malpensa since then.
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:17 pm

Sorry Ryanair but after the anti HKG / CX our friend posted I'll take every chance I can.
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:02 am

Sorry Ryanair but after the anti HKG / CX our friend posted I'll take every chance I can.

Please... if you are talking about Singapore_Air, there is no need to resort to such measures. You are just sinking to his level.... So no more such reciprocal rebutts please.

I'd better not talk anymore before this thread gets deleted.
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RE: Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash

Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:02 am

hmmm... I'm not sure the controller is to blame... the Head of Airport Security or some big guy in Rome or Milan who is not making his job should have been forced to resign rather than jailing the guy... unless it's clearly determined that he broke established procedures or showed incompetency given the training he received. It's more like a cheap mediatic trick that a real investigation to find the real reponsibles.

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