777D
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777LR And The Airbus 340-500

Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:38 am

I have to ask a few questions regarding the market for the ultr long range planes.

With Boeing claiming that their 777LR can hold more people and fly farther is great, however do I want more people on the plane when I am flying for 18-20 hour flight? I prefer to have more space to stretch out, walk around and over of course to sleep. Could this be a marketing problem with Boeing since more people would take more space? I would assume 777LR is bigger and can hold more people but at the sametime offer space?

Is there a market for these routes? I imagine a few routes, of course SIN-LAX and DFW-SYD, but are there other routes that airlines are stating the they must planes that fly for 18-20 hours?
 
northwest 777
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RE: 777LR And The Airbus 340-500

Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:40 am

The main thing to remember is that the seating configuration is 100% up to the airline itself.
 
airxliban
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RE: 777LR And The Airbus 340-500

Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:56 am

Airlines do not determine how it takes to get from point A to point B.

Right now the only A340-500 operators are SQ and EK.

SQ flying them on SIN-LAX and starting SIN-EWR (JFK?) in the near future.

Emirates is flying them between Dubai and Australia, and if you look at one of the other threads starting DXB-JFK followed by DXB-SFO.

The 777-200LR has racked up orders from EVA Air and PIA if I am not mistaken...for deliveries beginning what was it...january 2005 and june 2005 respectively?

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Motorhussy
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RE: 777LR And The Airbus 340-500

Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:28 pm

There are plenty of opportunites for these aircraft and airlines to use them, however, many will be watching SQ and EK closely to measure the flying publics' response to this new type of flight.

TG will use their A345's on BKK-LAX and BKK-JFK.
MH will likely fly the same routes but from KUL.
Personally, don't see why Eva are interested - most of the world is within their reach currently.
QF (if they ordered) could introduce SYD-DFW, SYD-AKL-JFK, SYD-YVR, PER-LHR.
PIA will likely use it for new U.S. direct routes from KHI.
South African (if they ordered) could introduce JNB-NRT and JNB-ORD flights.
NZ could order and beat QF to the SYD-AKL-JFK route.

The usable floor-space/area is slightly larger aboard the 772LR than the A345, but as others have said, configuration of an aircraft is contingent entirely upon the respective airline's desire.

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MH
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: 777LR And The Airbus 340-500

Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:40 pm

january 2005 and june 2005 respectively?

First delivery is to PIA in Jan 06
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airxliban
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RE: 777LR And The Airbus 340-500

Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:54 pm

CB is EVA in June 2006?
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: 777LR And The Airbus 340-500

Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:06 pm

Not quite sure of the exact dates, but the general delivery schedule:

2005 - 2 773ERs
2006 - 2 772LRs
2007 - 1 772LR, 3 773ERs
2008 - 5 773ERs
2009 - 2 773ERs
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GuyBetsy1
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RE: 777LR And The Airbus 340-500

Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:33 pm

MH hasn't ordered either aircraft, to my knowledge.
 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: 777LR And The Airbus 340-500

Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:28 am

MH hasn't ordered either aircraft, to my knowledge.

They havent, but they've released several press clips stating their interest. Close too: MH ops both A330s and 772ERs-- though their longhaul twins are all RR.


Also... interesting to note that MH's ship MRA holds the records for both 1) longest nonstop flight and 2) fastest subsonic global circumnavigation, ever performed by a commercial aircraft.

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RE: 777LR And The Airbus 340-500

Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:34 am

I think it would be difficult for MH to fly the LAX and NYC routes with KUL being in close proximity to SIN.
 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: 777LR And The Airbus 340-500

Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:57 am

Perhaps if they join SkyTeam... we could see something along the lines of a nonstop KUL-ATL

Unlikely, I know... but THAT would be impressive  Wow!
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