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WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:36 am


Ok, we all know that Southwest is finally adding winglets to their aircraft.
I saw winglets on an old color B737 yesterday at FLL. I thought the winglets
were only going on the new 700 series. How many planes actually have the
winglets now? and how many of the jets in the old colors have them?
It was pretty strange indeed to see the old orange on the winglets.
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:31 am

I don't know how many there are, but I was on Flight 751 AUS-LAS on April 16 and it had winglets in the old colors. (I *think* the aircraft was N742SW) It had the old color scheme on the outside, but the new leather interior.

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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:53 am

There are quite a few old colors with winglets. They just add them as the planes come around for maintenance, they aren't discriminating as to color. They are all only -700s.
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:10 am

Saw two last Sunday (April 11th) @ LAS.
 
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:19 am


Saw one a couple days ago on approach to 35 at MHT.



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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:24 am

I saw one Saturday about 15 miles out of MHT. It was obvious, with those winglets what kind of plane it was.
 
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:49 am


Its obvious now they have several planes with the winglets, but it was the
first time I had ever seen one at FLL, and I drive by it almost every day.
I know that WN doesnt schedule their aircraft for any particular airport,
but based on the scarcity, do the 700's with the winglets tend to operate
the longer flights and hence would operate from the larger bases, IE LAS,BWI,PHX etc?
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:31 am

When are -300s to start getting winglets?
 
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:41 am

Saw a N/C 737-7 with winglets today at OMA. 1st time I've ever seen a 737 with winglets in person.
 
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:54 am

Southwest is scheduled to receive 47 new 737-700 this year. August the new aircraft will start rolling off the Boeing assembly line with the winglets factory installed. In the meantime they are installing winglets on the current -700's at a record pace. They do not plan on installing winglets on the 194 737-300's until after the -700's are finished. Keep in mind WN did not start the Canyon blue series until early 2001. There will be classic colored -700's for many years to come.
 
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:59 am

>>>When are -300s to start getting winglets?

There are no plans to install winglets on the -300s (or -500s). The -300s and -500s typically operate the shorter flights, and the payback from winglets is less as a result.


>>>I know that WN doesnt schedule their aircraft for any particular airport, but based on the scarcity, do the 700's with the winglets tend to operate the longer flights and hence would operate from the larger bases, IE LAS,BWI,PHX etc?

The winglet-equipped -700s do tend to operate more long-haul flights, but only because -all- -700s do. Roughly half of the -700 fleet now has winglets, and at the rate the installations are being accomplished, it won't be all that long before all -700s have them.

There are alot of things considered in aircraft routings, none the least of which is where the aircraft starts its day, and ends it day. At the end of each day, there are a certain percentage of aircraft that need overnight MX checks/work, and those are the ones routed into overnight spots with MX capabilities. The changes that occur to these planned routings during the day (due to aircraft UNEXPECTEDLY being out of service) are more important considerations, overall, than routing a winglet/non-winglet aircraft on a specific flight. Oh, sure, they will if they can, but the higher priority is the overnight MX consideration. Pretty soon, it'll be a moot point...
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:59 am

Here's the proof of old-colors winglets:


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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:23 am

Ssides, thanks for the plug!  Big thumbs up

I noticed several old colors with winglets, and wondered the same thing, but after a while of thinking about it it made sense.
 
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:43 am

I had the pleasure of traveling on *two* winglet-equipped aircraft this last weekend doing OAK-LAX and back. Last Thurs on flight #336 I was on N761RR (routed GEG-OAK-LAX-MCI-MHT) and on Mon. night coming home on flight #2218 I was on N767SW (routed MCO-ABQ-LAX-OAK). Positively lovely birds, as always.
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:06 am

Looks like there are couple of them now. Depicted in Ssides post are:

N719SW
N741SA
N723SW
N717SA

Add to that N710SW, which was here in Columbus not too long ago:


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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:14 am

When will "New Mexico One" get them?

BTW, will that aircraft be coming to TPA anytime in the next week or so?

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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:38 am

>>>Looks like there are couple of them now

I just counted them, and out of 159 -700s in the system, 55 are now winglet-equipped, so my earlier "roughly half" figure is actually about a third....


>>>BTW, will that aircraft be coming to TPA anytime in the next week or so?

N781WN (New Mexico One) will be out west all day tomorrow, and won't see TPA...

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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:42 am

DARN!  Sad

I'd like to get a pic of that before it gets winglets.
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:23 pm

The 737-300 Will start getting winglets 4Q of 2005....LgBgUY??????
 
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:26 pm

RE Capt777

The one I saw on approach to 35 was about 2 miles out...I was driving on
High Range Road in Londonderry as it was on final..a nice sight!


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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:30 pm

>>>The 737-300 Will start getting winglets 4Q of 2005

Where'd you hear that?

Last I heard, it had been decided not to winglet the -300s, given the shorter flights the -300s run, combined with the shorter return-on-investment (ROI) period of the remaining service life of the -300 fleet didn't make winglets cost-effective overall. (The oldest -300s are pushing 20 years old, and many more are 10-15 years old).

Maybe I'm just out of the loop...  Big grin
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:49 pm

Geez now that we are on Southwest and we aren't talking about what NW is replacing its DC-9s with, can anyone tell me why Southwest has those blinking landing lights...

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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:02 pm

Old color 737's with winglets that I know of:
N704SW
N708SW
N710SW
N711HK
N712SW
N713SW
N714CB
N715SW
N716SW
N717SA
N719SW
N723SW
N739GB
N740SW
N741SA
N742SW
N761RR
N763SW
N771SA
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:38 pm


Justplanesmart,

Thank you. Thats what I was looking for. By your records that makes
19 old color B737-700's for WN.
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:54 am

I had heard that they would install winglets on the -300s. As far as the age is concerned I was under the impression (perhaps incorrectly) that the winglets pay for themselves in less than a year, even quicker for other airlines with there un-hedged fuel rates.
 
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:58 am

The above list is not complete as I was on N767SW last week and it had winglets w/old colors as well.
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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:05 am

Check out this website

http://www.angelfire.com/dc/douglasjets

Click on Favorite Airlines and go to Southwest Airlines.

This site has entire Southwest fleet pages and indicates which -700s have winglets.

Hope this helps.

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RE: WN Winglets On Old Colors?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:31 am

According to my friend who works for WN, to his knowledge, there are NO plans to fit the 737-300s with winglets. He can pretty much tell you everything else about what they are planning for their fleet, but 737-300s with winglets is not on the agenda.
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