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Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:57 am

1) Brazil and Chile:

As of June 1st, AR is increasing frequencies on flights from EZE to SCL (from 5 daily to 6 daily) and EZE to GRU (from 3 daily to 4 daily). All will be done with 737/MD88 aircraft.


2) Colombia, Venezuela and Bolivia

Also, on June 2nd AR will inaugurate flights to Bogotá, Colombia, with 4 weekly flights (2 EZE-CCS-BOG-EZE and 2 EZE-BOG-CCS-EZE). This will mean the drop of MD88 flights into CCS. On the other hand, as part of this restructuring, AR flights into VVI, will be done daily with a stopover in COR (Córdoba). So EZE-COR-VVI will use B737.

3) Peru

Daily flights EZE-LIM-EZE will go from 5 A310-300 + 2 MD88 frequencies that AR is offering today to 5 MD88 + 2 A310-300 flights. This is because the sole A310-300 will be used also for flights to BOG and CCS, and some flights to GIG.

4) A310-300 for Domestic Flights
Last flight scheduled EZE-FTE-USH-EZE is for May 14th. From then on it will be used mostly in regional routes.

Brgds

Bob
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:23 am

Nice to see that AR is going strong.

Welcome back to Colombia!
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:47 am

This is good news. I'm not too sure about their routing though. EZE-BOG-CCS-EZE sometimes and then EZE-CCS-BOG-EZE others. Maybe a simple EZE-BOG-CCS-BOG-EZE or vice versa would work better (chose the one with the largest traffic first). Just my 2 cents.
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:48 am

It is nice to see AR in BOG once more even though AV will also be limited to 4 weekly non stop flights BOG/EZE/BOG and loose 3 frequencies that were operated via SCL
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:04 am

The exact schedule for BOG and CCS is the following

AR1366 - Mondays and Thursdays

EZE-CCS 12:30 18:22
CCS-BOG 19:37 20:38
BOG-EZE 21:52 06:02+1

AR1368 - Wednesdays and Saturdays

EZE-BOG 12:30 16:30
BOG-CCS 17:45 20:35
CCS-EZE 21:50 05:50+1

So attention to spotters in CCS and BOG.

Regards

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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:06 am

It would be nice to know which has the biggest loads, BOG or CCS, and why.

Off topic, a few months back I saw a flight map in an World Atlas at a bookstore, there it showed Buenos Aires-Santiago, Buenos Aires-Montevideo, and Buenos Aires-Sao Paulo as 'major world routes'. EZE was the only south american city with multiple of these.
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:41 am

I bet the fares in the SCL-EZE and GRU-EZE routes are very competitive. It will be very interesting if LA, RG and JJ respond by adding more frequencies or lowering their fares.

I wish AR the best. It is good to see it growing.
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:57 am

Welcome Back to Aerolineasd Argentinas here at SKBO.

Is good to see that AR is going good under the new management

Gus
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:57 am

Its great to see AR moving forward, maybe they could increase their flights to the US, by adding service to ORD. We have UA doing the run to Buenos Aires, maybe AR could come and compete!
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:52 am

Eddie:

Tam does not fly to SCL. I'm not sure if they still fly to Iquique (IQQ), which would be the only Chilean city they serve.
you are right; SCL-EZE in very competitive: AR, LA, SW?, LH, AF, AC, RG and AV. Average cheap tkt: US$100 - US$120 (I Think is cheaper from EZE to SCL). I don't see Lan adding more flights, though. Remember they have enough flights, including 2 daily frequencies on 340s.
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:57 am

Hi Arcano, are you sure TAM does not fly to SCL? Weren't they flying ASU-SCL with F-100s?

And Eddie, I don't see LAN incresing the number of flights to EZE, they already have 7 daily flights (A320/737/767/A340)

Also I think the SCL-EZE-GRU flight operated by Varig does not exist anymore.
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:40 pm

LanFan:
You are right about Tam, I wanted to say from EZE.
And SCL website today announced the arrival of RG from GRU via EZE, so it's still on.
I think Lan does not use daily 767s to EZE as they do with 340s and 320s.

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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:49 pm

LAN operates SCL-EZE with 9 frequencies during high season, and alternating between 6 and 7 for the rest of the year.

I've seen a TAM F100 in SCL already twice this year.

SW-LAFSA does not advertise SCL on their website, but must travel agencies say they do, and I think I saw a couple of SW-LAFSA check-in counters inside SCL.

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Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:51 pm

Hi Arcano and Lan_Fanatic. I know JJ does not fly SCL-EZE; I meant that it would be interesting to see how JJ and RG react in the GRU-EZE market and how LA reacts in the SCL-EZE market. Sorry if my comment was incomplete but I thought it was self-explanatory. I believe JJ's only international destinations are EZE, CDG and MIA, all of them out of GRU and MIA also out of another city. The "TAM" that flies to SCL, if I am not mistaken, is the Paraguayan subsidiary of JJ: Transportes Aéreos del Mercosur and it indeed uses F100's.

About possible lower fares between SCL and EZE, I don't think they can go any lower. I had no clue that the average restricted coach ticket was so cheap Arcano! I bet Buenos Aires is full of Chilean tourists all year long. Same thing about possible new frequencies: 7 daily just from LA is a lot... thanks for the info Lan_Fanatic. No way LA will add more capacity. Talk about cross-border puente aéreo!!! I don't think CO has that many daily flights between IAH and MEX (and even if they did, they are all be on narrowbodies and maybe even one regional jet).
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:56 pm

I wonder how flights from different Argentine cities to Viña del Mar direct will do? Many Argentine tourists go there, specially people from Mendoza. Any ideas?
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:16 pm

AddieDude:

Your probably right, in which case PZ would serve SCL from ASU. I know PZ serves ASU (x2), VVI & CBB, and MVD daily from EZE. And yes, JJ's only internationals are CDG, EZE and MIA. But don't they have 9 A332s?

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Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:15 pm

I can't believe just how busy the route between SCL and EZE is! I always knew that EZE was a big hub for US and European airlines but I never knew such heavy traffic existed between the two neighbor's. No wonder rumors here at QF continuously circulate about QF taking back the route to South America, EZE in fact and then a shuttle to SCL. Although last I heard SCL would not be served by QF and we would fly to Brazil. I'll see it when it happens.
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:05 pm

SW-Lafsa and Varig are definitely out of the SCL-BUE route.

Players on EZE-SCL are:

AR (5 daily B737/MD88)
LA (7 daily A320/A340)
AF (1 daily B772)
LH (1 daily A346)
AV (3 weekly B767 + 1 weekly B757 SCL-EZE only)
AC (3 weekly B763)

Brgds

Bob
 
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Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

im sorry, but that cracked me up Big grin Big grin Big grin
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:32 am

AR385,

Tourist numbers from western Argentina (mostly Mendoza), to Viña del Mar have rebounded but still not up to the good'ol 1 dollar = 0,98 peso cents days.

One would think the road problems on RN7 and the very confusing, sometimes dangereous mountain road detours (brought by the building of the Potrerillos Dam, Village and resort megaproject), would have prompted an increase in charter flights. Perhaps the numbers are not big enough or people just enjoy driving over, an 8 hour trip. The highway over the Andes is incredible, but if I was on vacation and could afford it, I'd want to 'hop', avoid all that construction, and get it over within 45 minutes...
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:38 am

Oohh, and I forgot of course, the MDZ-SCL daily routes probably absorb any flying tourism travel from Mendoza to the Chilean riviera...
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:42 am

I visited a long time ago Viña del Mar airport...and it isn't really an airport, it is an aerodrome, so I think it wouldn't be able to handle more traffic than a few Cessnas
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:09 am

Wow! 105 flights between EZE and SCL per week is impressive. Moreover when we consider that a good deal of those are with widebodies. I don't think there is another international city pair in Latin America with this level of traffic!!! (does anybody know the number of weekly GRU-EZE flights? and MEX-IAH flights per week?... I am assuming MEX-IAH is between 60 and 80 weekly).

LVZXV, the long-haul fleet of JJ is indeed all-A332's... I just don't know how many.
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:17 am

I did mention in a post higher up that EZE-SCL was considered a 'major world route' in a world almanac I saw.

GRU-EZE must be less, but I'm trying to see how many daily and weekly flights there on that route and the EZE-MVD route (including services by United and the like)...
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:19 am

EddieDude: LOL!!! "I thought it was self-explanatory" sounds like "I didn't know you were so stupid!" Laugh out loud. Are you surprised about SCL EZE fares? Lan's "Last minute fares" to EZE this week: US$89! and yes, there is a lot of Chileans going to BsAs after Argentine devaluation. Before, Argentina was so expensive for us! About TAM you are right, this is why I said JJ does not fly to SCL. And frequencies? in high season, I've counted up to 20 both narrow and widebodies! even Sky charters to EZE sometimes.

AR385: Vina del Mar uses SCL airport. Since it's located next to the new highway Santiago-Valparaiso/Vina, going from the airport to vina takes 45 mins - 1 hour (@120kms/hr allowed), so it's much easier to use SCL instead of Torquemada (KNA) airport. Torquemada was daily used by Ladeco in the early 90s (BAC111s), which was good for vinamarinos since they made immi controls in Vina and were on transit passengers in SCL for international flights. Now, KNA is used mostly for private aviation. And coming from Mendoza takes about 5 hours. Think that if you come with the family for vacations, is better just drive: flying takes 30 mins to the airport, 2 hours before departure, 50 mins of flight and 20 minutes of immigration... you don't save much time!

Argentina: Are you sure about RG? SCL website still announce it yesterday, but not today. It was grate since sometimes they used MD11s.

TBC: QF will not drop Lan alliance; they will add a 4th frequency this year. Although you are right about QF wanting to resume direct flights to EZE or GRU.

Derico: After a few seasons, Argentines have come back to Vina, specially from Mendoza, and you are right, the road is wonderful. Even this year Argentina won the Festival de Vina and weird thing! all Chileans cheered the guy!!! beautiful song of Heredia, BTW.
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:25 am

Is there anything news about their proposed South European (Athens), and North African/M.E (Tunis, Cairo and Dubai) destinations?
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:39 am

When is AR coming back to ACA,CUN or MEX...
we miss you pibes !

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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:37 am

Yeah, Arcano, the road should be really good once all the projects are done, and the new Potrerillos might stop Chileans before ever getting to Mendoza! (BTW, there is a project for a new autovia from Mendoza to Potrerillos, going straight west from Mendoza Capital through the Precordillera... toll road probably if it goes through, but it would cut travel from 67 kilometers to 38! I hope they build it because it would run through spectular scenery)

XA744,

If we keep our fingers crossed and the argentine economy really starts lifting all boats, then argentine tourists will be back to CUN just like they are returning to Chile and Brazil. And AR will be right along with them. Hopefully soon...
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:37 am

Roberta:

Not so long ago the British would frequently refer to "Latin America and the Argentine Republic". In all of the continent, we are probably the newest member of the 3rd World. You've got the remember, the Southern Cone is still very different from the banana republics up north (not that Argentina is entirely excluded from that club), and Argentina's ethnic mix is still 94% European.

Horus:

In one word, NO, but they say patience is a virtue. AR hasn't said anything more specific than "2004".

XA744:

Ditto, exactly what I said to Horus. CUN may be added before MEX, but there are no plans for ACA.

EddieDude:

Yes, JJ has 9 A332s, but if there are only 3 long(ish) distance destinations, what do most of the fleet do half the time? GRU-SSA--that sort of thing?

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:47 am

I've never was fooled by the 1st world cr!p Menem and many others tried to convince of in 'good times'. I also don't believe Argentina even in her worst moments is completely a 3rd world country, like those in Africa, most of Asia, or the like.

In all honesty, ARG is a split country. Go to the northt of Argentina and it is 3rd world (but still has beautiful cities). Go to Buenos Aires, or the Atlantic seaboard, Cordoba, Bariloche and most of Patagonia... anyone with objectivity would not say those regions are 3rd world..
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:48 am

LVZXV, do you really think Argentina is a third world country? I would put it in the second world country along with Chile and Uruguay(perhaps Brazil?). I know that the "second world" definition goes to the USSR and all the countries that belonged to it, but it should be changed.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:59 am

Arcano,

According to SABRE CRS, RG is not flying EZE-SCL anymore.

Regarding EZE-GRU here is the present schedule for May 2004:

RG (1 daily B763 + 2 daily B733 + 1 daily MD11)
AR (2 daily B737 + 1 daily MD88)
JJ (4 daily A320)
BA (4 weekly B772)

In April RG is flying the May B763 frequency with B738.

Bob
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:00 am

Hi and what about the charters between EZE and SCL?

I know there are sometimes long weekend charters to Buenos Aires from Santiago flown with Sky Airlines B737. I have friends in Santiago who flew with them last year.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:05 am

Lan_Fanatic, well, i think the only country that could be in the 2nd world is definatly Chile, Arg Bra and Uru are below of chile.

Btw, does anybody knows how many daily flights Aerolineas have to Montevideo?

Thanks,
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:07 am

Lan Fanatic:

Yes, unfortunately some fudge-packer gave a Communist definition to the "2nd World" and no one's bothered to change it yet (more objectively, is perestroika-esque China 2nd World today?). As for Argentina, yes, it's neither one nor the other, but maybe the FAA was being fair when it re-classified Argentina as a "Category 2" country in July 2002. I'll stick with that!

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:09 am

Pluna757:

Don't quote me but I think its 4 all year round. PDP is the one that oscillates.

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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:31 am

Pluna 757:

EZE-MVD: AR flies EZE-MVD daily ex Sunday with B737, with some flights going on to POA.

AEP-MVD: These are the schedules from AEP all using B737:

Mo: 07:45 - 13:30 - 18:00
Tu: 07:45 - 13:30 - 18:00
We: 07:45 - 13:30 - 18:00
Th: 07:45 - 13:30 - 16:25 - 18:00
Fr: 07:45 - 13:30 - 16:25 - 18:00
Sa: 13:30 - 18:00
Su: 13:30 - 19:15


Saludos

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:40 am

Hello all,

I think the EZE-SCL city pair is VERY well-served and the fares on the route reflect the excellent competition.

AEP/EZE-MVD could use some more competition as well.

LVZXV,

I would have expected a more appropriate term from a classy guy like you than the offensive 'fudge-packer' to refer to the creator of the second world moniker.

cheers,

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:41 am

LVZXV, good question. I guess there are 7 weekly flights to CDG and maybe 14 weekly to MIA from GRU plus a couple more to MIA from SSA. I don't recall very well how many flights JJ operates to MIA but hopefully someone can confirm/correct this information. I guess JJ does use some of the A332's for high-density domestic flights, but also for charter flights to CUN, HVN, maybe Varadero, and probably some European destinations other than CDG.
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:52 am

Still, it seems some of those A332s are a little superfluous. Was JJ undertaking an ambitious growth plan that hasn't fully materialised or something?

Pdpsol:

My apologies. I'm just exiting a nasty hangover, so my French wasn't up to scratch this morning. My point is, in political terms, the vacuum left by the implosion of the "2nd World" has not been filled by countries to the likes of Argentina, Chile, Brazil and Uruguay, as many intellectuals keep that category reserved for any countries who wish to experiment with Communism in the future, the effect of which, leads many to call said South American countries "3rd world", which I agree, is unfair.

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:29 am

LVZXV,

No worries, apology accepted. I actually completely agree with you regarding the use of 'Third World' to refer to nations such as Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil and Chile; absolutely ridiculous. I loved your comment regarding the use of 'Latin America and the Argentine Republic' in Britain.

These societies have political and economic issues completely different from 'typical' poor nations. In fact, some use the term 'middle income countries' to refer to the likes of said countries, in addition to the ex-Warsaw Block nations. However, some of these central European countries, such as Czech Republic and the Baltic states Latvia/Estonia/Lithuania will most likely be making the jump to 'First World' status sooner rather than later.

As PU757 has pointed out, if there's any nation in Latin America that will graduate to First World status in the near future, it most definitely is Chile.

BTW, what are you doing in Monaco?? Stay away from the casinos!!

cheers,

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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:20 am

Argentina,

What about EZE-GRU by ex-Swiss?? I did see them listed at the aa2000 website...

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:26 am

Hello again

Thanks you all for those nice words about Chile, but is important to remember, specially for us to remember, that Chile is not a developed country yet. OK, maybe there have been important reforms and everything, but we still have povertry and distribution issues, so it's important to keep working and stay humble...

XV: 'Latin America and the Argentine Republic'??? ... andá... and I think the correct term is "Latin america except Chile"!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy(just joking) Is that truly the ethnic composition of Arg? 94% european? I thought the "mestizo" blood was higher, as it is in Chile

Lima: You are right about Sky charters. No only for Buenos Aires, also in summer time to Brazil. And they will start regular international service. Apparently from Iquique to LIM on MD80s  Sad
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:46 am

LVZXV, surely if they want to start long-haul flights to ATH, CAI and TUN in 2004, they really need to announce something pretty soon.
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:03 am

With a Superavit of more than $4.1 billion (a historical record), triple the amount that the IMF was anticipating and the economy growing at 10.4% this year, how can anyone compare Argentina to other third world nations ? It is true, as stated before the poverty level may have increased.
How can anyone pool together Argentina with Bangladesh or Surinam or other countries around the world ?
And when one compares it to other South American countries (GDP for 2003):
Brazil: US$452.4 billion
Argentina: US$102.2 billion
Chile: US$64.2 billion
Uruguay: US$12.3 billion

Well said Arcano. I think that for one the problem with Latin America is that many countries enjoy a period of growth and stability and then 'downfalls' be it because of the governments or of economic policies. Chile like, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay etc still have a long way to go!

Ps: I've placed comparisons above as a informative guide for people, not as a my country is better than yours attitude. At the end of the day 'estamos todos en la misma!'
Sorry to get off the topic


 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:16 am

I think that, since the collapse of communism, the terms "first world" and "third world" are becoming less and less used. I think now the distinction is between developed nations and developing nations.
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:58 am

We're so off topic, but what the...

I think the first,second and third world should be kept but it should be refurbished.

I can't understand how countries like Argentina or Chile are in the same "3rd world" category together with Haiti, Bhutan and Liberia as an example. Of course we couldn't either be with Norway, Japan and Switzerland, among others, in the "first world" category.

 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:29 am

Maybe something on the middle?
Like the meat in a sandwich??
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:39 am

Lest we forget what the US and the Western world went through from 1929-35, and 1945-52 (France, Spain, Italy and Greece shared similar experiences to Latin America throughout the 20th century). To be fair, every 1st world country has gone through periods of extreme poverty, and if you think about it, what Argentina experienced in the mid-70s, late-80s and early-'00s, were really the nation's first taste of TRUE poverty since the proclamation of the Argentine Republic in 1862, and God willing, they will be the last.

Arcano:

Argentina has a much smaller Indian population than Chile (where you have 1.5 million Mapuches/Araucanos and 900,000 Quechua?). There are lots of Mestizos in Argentina, but most of them have a lot of White blood too and many who look indigenous are actually of Moorish/Arab descent. Of "pure" White, you have at least 85%.

Derico:

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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:21 am

To help with the discussion,

There are a number of development indicators creted by the UN and OECD.Examples are TV sets per capita, Doctors per capita, teachers per capita, infant mortality, etc.

When a country reaches a specific target on these indicators then it is considered first world. I don't think any country in Latin America can claim that. Plus, I don't want to start a debate here, but there are parts in the US both rural and urban that are more than third world.