MaverickM11
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Alpa Congratulates Itself On HP's Profit

Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:31 am

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040421/dcw089_1.html

Is it just me or is something off about this press release? Was management out on vacation the whole time the airline turned around?
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RE: Alpa Congratulates Itself On HP's Profit

Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:46 am

There is no doubt that the sacrifices made by HP's labor groups played a huge and indispensable role in turning the airline around and making it profitable. However, a $1.2 million 1st-quarter profit, while remarkable, doesn't make up for $62 million losses, and it sure doesn't justify significant pay raises in the future. This press release is completely out of line, and will not make labor relations at HP any better in the future. I find it way to provocative.
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RE: Alpa Congratulates Itself On HP's Profit

Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:59 am

"Now that our new contract is in place, we are making steady gains, but ALPA will continue the fight to ensure that ALL employees -- not just management -- enjoy their fair share of the airline's success."

Something about that statement is a little unnerving to me. The airline is not out of the woods yet; HP is only marginally profitable. (wasn't it only $0.01 per share) It sounds like they will be asking for more in the not too distant future....

Regardless, HP has done a great job returning back into the black and they have some good things going on over there. It can't be easy sharing your 2 hubs with Southwest.
 
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RE: Alpa Congratulates Itself On HP's Profit

Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:08 am


"As the company grows and prospers, we hope that management always remembers that it's our hard work that keeps America West strong."

Management does nothing of course and does not deserve to be rewarded. Neither do the stockholders, Flight Attendants, Maintenance or any other worker or investor. It's all about the Pilots and their sacrifices.

"We demand the respect and the rewards that come from flying for one of the nation's top 10 airlines."

In other words now that you've made a pathetically small profit its time for us to make full on wage demands to ensure that profits dont go any higher.

This guy is a joke. He should have a look at US Airways cost structure and not try to screw his airline and, consequently, his own career. Unless he wants to work for less money and benefits at Southwest??
 
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RE: Alpa Congratulates Itself On HP's Profit

Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:25 am

I understand the need for unions, I don't necessarily sympathize with them in most cases, but I undersand their position on certain issues. Something like this, however, makes me want to lobby for a law that all airlines have to go unionless. I don't think there's any doubt that the industry would be much healthier.
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RE: Alpa Congratulates Itself On HP's Profit

Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:49 am

Unless he wants to work for less money and benefits at Southwest??

An AWA pilot would have better pay and benefits at Southwest. I'm not defending the press release, just sayin'.
 
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RE: Alpa Congratulates Itself On HP's Profit

Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:07 pm

I've never seen anything like it. Have you ever heard management thank themselves? Every sentence they speak starts with "Thanks to our wonderful employees...". Talk about chutzpah, ALPA.
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RE: Alpa Congratulates Itself On HP's Profit

Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:10 pm

This smacks of a press guide CO pilots released a few years back, during negotiations, that was entitled "The Remarkable Turnaround of Continental, and the 5000 CO Pilots Who Made It Happen." (No lie).

Pilots, as much as we need them, can be an arrogant, pampered bunch, thinking that they're the straw that stirs the drink, when that's not the case. What the HP pilots say now ,and what the CO pilots said then, are a slap in the face-and a deliberate one-to everyone else, that makes an airline successful: management, f/a's, gate agents, dispatchers, mechanics, res agents-everyone. And trust me, it engenders more than a little bitterness form other work groups.
 
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RE: Alpa Congratulates Itself On HP's Profit

Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:12 pm


I suppose the one good thing about the current industry conditions is that there are plenty of trained/under-employed pilots about who could step up if HP needed new pilots. ALPA can't shouldn't consider their members irreplaceable in the current environment.