poh2
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Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:53 am

Hey guys,

As you may have heard, SWISS is reducing the number of charter aircraft it is operating under the Swiss Sun brand from 3 to 2 A320's. The planes they currently have are: HB-IJU, HB-IJV, HB-IJW. All these planes are very new, with HB-IJW being delivered in December 2003.

Now, my question is: how will LX handle the reduction? Will one of these birds be re-painted in LX's standard scheme and enter regular service or would it replace an older A320? I hope this is the case. It would be sad to see such a new airplane leave the fleet.  Sad

Anyone have any more info?

Best regards,
Patrick
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NewSwissair
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RE: Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:13 pm

2 A320 will be repainted in the Swiss livery and fly for Swiss. The problem is, that the pilots, who are flying the Swiss Sun A320 come from Crossair. All other A320 are operated by former Swissair pilots.
 
mpoellot
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RE: Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:53 pm

NewSwissair (nice user name by the way !!),

To which specific problems are you referring to ??

I, myself, read articles about inadequate performance levels of some Crossair pilots in Swiss newspapers years ago before Swissair went out of business. The same notion has been confirmed by the recently published "Bassersdorf incident" report.

Best regards,

Michael
 
gerardo
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RE: Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:51 pm

The problems are more on the emotional side. It's always the old dispute "Swissair vs. Crossair".

Gerardo
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poh2
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RE: Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:48 pm

NewSwissair,

So two of the three planes will go to regular SWISS livery. What happens to the 3rd plane? If this is true, then it means the "Swiss Sun" brand is being dropped, right?

To the best of my knowledge, the three Swiss Sun A320's were configured specially for charter operations, with no C-class seating. I also remember reading that Sony Playstations were available onboard and that there was also a camera mounted on the outside of the plane (like LX's A340s) to provide outside views. So will SWISS have to reconfigure these A320's when they enter regular service? I believe that they have already used these "charter" aircraft to fly scheduled flights every now and then, probably due to normal operational/maintenance reasons.

Thanks again for any information!

Cheers,
Patrick
"Life is too short to take everything seriously."
 
RJ100
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RE: Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:59 pm

"2 A320 will be repainted in the Swiss livery and fly for Swiss. The problem is, that the pilots, who are flying the Swiss Sun A320 come from Crossair. All other A320 are operated by former Swissair pilots."

Why is this a problem? Or let me ask differently...it is only a problem for the former SR pilots right?

So which A-320 will they cut? The one in Geneva or the one in Basle? (Let's be realistic, once again they will cut the one in BSL. If I imagine how they were complaining and whining last year when they have lost to's Starter business to Iberworld...  Big grin

Keep in mind that this is not against ZRH, Swiss, ex-SR or whatever. It is a personal view of myself so don't feel offended  Big grin

RJ100
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dens
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RE: Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:15 pm

So which A-320 will they cut? The one in Geneva or the one in Basle?

RJ100, are you sure that there is a A320 based in Geneva? Most of charter flights out of Geneva are operated by Edelweiss Air.
 
717fan
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RE: Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:44 pm

That gives some more room for charter Startup Hello.
 
saab2000
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RE: Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:10 am

The "problem" of who operates the 320 is one of the former SR pilots. They have blocked the way to the flight deck of the 320 fleet for the former LX pilots through all sorts of meanspirited tactics. But the ex-LX pilots are not without some responsibility here either. The bad reputation of the LX pilots is not totally without merit, though the vast majority of them are professionals who were dragged down by a few bad apples.

The solution, as I see it, is to train the pilots at the standard of the former SR and if the pilots are at that level let them fly!

But they will not do this. They try all sorts of "screenings" and "assessments" and "quasi-selections to keep the LX pilots and the SR pilots from mixing.

Very childish and unprofessional. It is childish and unprofessional of the former SR pilots to try to block the careers of the former LX pilots and it is childish of the former LX pilots to complain about the high standard of training of the 320 crews.

Just my $.02 folks. I wish this stupid, childish conflict would be resolved!
smrtrthnu
 
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RE: Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:21 am

.. Saab2000, i'll add my 0.02$ as well to that! If only this Kindergarden could be resolved. But resolving means admit that your position can not be met 100% and I see none involved party do that in the near future......

Happy contrails,
Thomas
 
RJ100
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RE: Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:41 am

@Dens: Although I'm not 100% sure I thought that they have an A-320 in Geneva going to Pristina etc.

I might be wrong though (maybe Edelweiss replaced them?)

Maybe some other users might clear this up.

Cheers everyone!

RJ100
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dens
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RE: Swiss Sun A320 Fleet Reduction

Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:55 am

@RJ100, you can look the summer charter timetable out of Geneva here: http://www.gva.ch/fr/offre/charters.htm . Two destinations are operated by Swiss Sun : Pristina and Reykjavik . There is no need of basing aircraft. Some years ago, most charter flights were operated by Swiss(Crossair) in Geneva.
Best regards!

Dens

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