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Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:15 pm

Anyone know if the Tu-144 ever entered scheduled service. If yes to what destinations?

Anyone know if it got a NATO name? Also maybe a factory name?

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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:23 pm

The Tu-144 operated regular PAX services for Aeroflot on the Moscow - Alma Ata route from November 1977 to June 1978.

The flights were stopped after a Tu-144 empty from PAX supposedly crashed in May 1978.
 
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:25 pm

NATO codenamed the Tu-144 as 'Charger'.

And yes, there was a bad gear-up landing on 23 May 1978 following the fracture of a fuel-pipe on a test flight. The crash-landing killed two engineers and this accident directly led to the withdrawal from passenger service.

[Edited 2004-04-22 11:31:47]
 
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:28 pm

Yep the crash (can't remember where) was after an inflight fire.

The Alma Ata service indeed ended after less than a year but I think there were a few other spurts of service because I think Aeroflot didn't officially pull the aircraft until 1984.
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:34 pm

Before operating PAX services, Aeroflot used the Tu-144 to carry mail (!) on the same route Moscow-Alma Ata, from December 1975 but just a few flights were actually operated.

A freight only service restarted with the Tu-144, still on the same route in 1979 but it didn't last very long...

It is said that a total of around 100 flights only were operated during this period Dec.75 / Dec.79 (Mail + PAX + Freight services).
 
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:41 pm

Thanks, all

Would have love to be on one of these flights, not the one that crashed though!
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:09 pm

Hmm, I thought it was 100 passenger flights? I recall one Swedish reporter flew on it and said it was "noisy"...
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:16 am

I know somebody who has been Aeroflot pilot back in the days. He says his friend was a pilot on a Tu-144. According to that guy, he was always sweating in flight because as fuel burned, fuel tanks were filling with nitrogen. The pilots couldn't wait to land.

That makes one wonder what the passengers would think if they knew this little detail...

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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:20 am

Levg79,

I wonder why...nitrogen is an inert gas...
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:29 am

JBirdAV8r,

I'm not sure, just what I've been told.....

According to the same pilot, today Kazakhstan airlines operate a fleet of B767s consisting of a three-person crew.....go figure
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:37 am

Filling the fuel tanks with nitrogen would decrease the risk of a fire quite significantly, so no harm done there.

About the noise, I have also heard this. As in so noisy you have to wear ear protection or go crazy.
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:45 am

Levg79,

There are indeed very few 767s with three position flight crews. I don't know how many were made (I know it was fewer than ten though), or where they are today. I think it had something to do with offering airlines the option of that for the sake of appeasing unions or something.
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:01 am

As the Soviets tried to rush with the Tu-144 construction a lot [the first flight was made on Dec 31st 1968 with the goal to have an earlier first flight year than Concorde (1969)]. That probably led to relatively immature design and therefore it didn't last as long as the Anglo-French counterpart.

As and interesting side note - as I've heard, the supersonic ticket from Moscow to Almatõ cost around 100 rubles. For a comparison: a ticket from Tallinn to Moscow (less than 1000 km) was around 25 rubles at the time.

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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:05 am

Air New Zealand had 3 person crews on their 767s, as did Aeroflot. ANZ was for union reasons. Aeroflot was because then current Russian law forbade flying without a flight engineer.
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:15 am

Hello,
What's the story with the TU-144LL,that the Russians and Americans were using a few years ago for test flights?
I know that these tests are complete,but is the aircraft kept in an airworthy condition,or does anyone know if it has flown at all recently?
It was great to see it back in the air,when they resurrected it.
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:30 am

The TU-144LL is stored outside at Zhukovsky airbase south of Moscow. You can see it at the MAKS air show with another TU-144 wearing Soviet titles, and pieces of others. It is not an exhibit and appears to be simply left to rot. I think they tried to find a buyer, but wanted to sell it without engines. Probably it could fly again..... also, about the pricing, I have a friend who once flew on Aeroflot in the 1980's to 4 of the central asian republics and back to Moscow for the equivalent of $6.
 
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:38 am

Afay1,

Yes, air travel was indeed extremely cheap in the Soviet Union. Almost like Ryanair Big grin

Anyway, about the engines on the Tu-144LL. I read an article in Tehnikamaailm (a tech magazine in Estonia and Finland) a while back about these test flights. If memory serves me correct, around 20 test flights were commenced.

But the trick was, when they tried to find a suitable aircraft, they could easily find such airframe but gathering four working engines was a real challenge. I can't remember how they solved the problem, but I'll try to look up the magazine later and share.

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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:03 am

The Tu-144L had engines from the Tu-160.
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:11 am

Went through my closet but didn't find the correct edition. Anyway, it might indeed have been that the engines were taken from the Tu-160 bomber.

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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:18 am

Starlionblue - Air New Zealand did not have a F/E position on their 767s. Ansett however did on their 767-200s, as the Union demanded this be put in place. However, I believe that by the time the aircraft were delivered, or very soon after, the folly of this was realised, and the aircraft flew with 2 crew for most of their life...

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RE: TU-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:48 am

I remember seeing pictures of the F/E panel on the Ansett 767's in a magazine a while ago. They basically took the overhead panel and installed it on what is the maintenance panel behind the F/O. I assume he would handle the part of the checklist dealing with the upper panel but otherwise he had little to do once it was configured and the aircraft was in flight.
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RE: Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:29 am

The last TU-144 built, tail number 77114 did fly again not to long ago for some supersonic research projects partially funded by NASA.

It flew from 1996 to 1999 in Russia and this aircraft was modified to use engines from the Russian supersonicTU-160 Blackjack bomber and was known as a TU-144LL