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Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:16 pm

Hi everbody

I want to start alittle bit of a grass routes movement to rename London's two major airports. There's already one for heathrow... That being Princess Dianna..... for London heathrow.... no complaints there.

But, Here's the controvertial one. Gatwick. I want Gatwick renamed "Margret Thatcher Intercontinental".

I think the name suits it perfectly. Firstly, there is a very strong American presence at this airport. Thatcher, had a very strong relationship with the Americans.

Secondaly, it was Virgin Atlantic's birthplace, and Thatcher and branson have quite a good relationship.

Third. The very strong LCC presense at this airport fits in with the nature of Thatcher. She was great believer in free enterprise, and the big easyjet operation alone there really fits in with that. If the name "thatcher Intercontinental" doesn't appeal, How about "thatcher europort?"

I think though, giving the huge american presence at this airport, the name "Thatcher Intercontinental" is very fitting and certainly would make Gatwick seem a little more important in the eyes of the international community than it does today.
 
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Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:27 pm

Why not keep the names as they are? Both Heathrow and Gatwick are well-known to the public as the crossroads of the skies and there is no need to further improve the public awareness of these airports.

You can spare a lot of controversy if you don't rename such well-known airports with the name of a former prime minister and, in the other case, someone, whose greatest achievement in life was arguably her extensive self-promotion to the yellow press.


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Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:31 pm

If someone names an airport after Thatch, I'll kill myself. And so will most people in the UK. Come and visit and see the social devastation that psycho wreaked on this country before you tell us what to name our airports.

Thatcher Intercontinental? It's offensive. Terrible terrible terrible.
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Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:33 pm

THis might be a very stupid question, but why is it called Heathrow? is it because there is a city nearby named Heathrow or what?
 
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Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:35 pm

If anyone dares name Heathrow after Diana, rather than someone a damn sight more significant, there'll be an aviation community uproar.
 
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Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:40 pm

Interesting point. While I wouldn't wish ill on Mrs T (I was always a big fan), the fact is that she is elderly and has had some health scares, so we may soon be facing the question of how to commemorate her life. I can't see any of the London airports being renamed in their entirety, although T5 at Heathrow might be a possibility. My money is on a Royal Navy nuclear powered submarine or one of the new Type 45 destroyers.
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Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:55 pm

Heathrow is named after the hamlet of Heathrow (http://www.baa.com/main/airports/heathrow/about_heathrow/history_of_heathrow_page.html).

I agree that Heathrow and Gatwick work. If you renamed them, no one would call them that for a generation.
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Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:29 pm

I don't know... I think people would call the airport its proper name after just a few years.
In the USA, people came to know JFK Airport in New York pretty soon after it was commemorated for the fallen President. Sure there some who called it Idyllwild (and still do) but people got used to name pretty quickly.

As for LHR and LGW, I hope they don't change the names. As someone else said, they are very recognizable and very British names. Heathrow sounds like a grassy meadow (not a concrete jungle).
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RE: Marget Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:34 pm

What a cruel thing to do to an Gatwick, name it "Magaret Thatchor international".

Yes that will boost traffic......



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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:49 pm

Best Thatcher can hope for is being named after a rubbish tip/dump with an ancilliary sewage works named after one: Anthony Blair.
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:54 pm

Come on, if you're gonna rename the airports at least give'em some more glorious name, like Churchill Int'l, or maybe choose Sir Francis Drake, or a king. Not that I think Thatcher didn't leave her mark on British history, but, well, I think that there are people that deserve it more... And, just imagine how neat a Churchill-CDG flight would be....
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:11 pm

How about "Bomber Harris"?

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:45 pm

I totally agree that the names of both of these airports should remain Heathrow & Gatwick. They are 2 of the most recognizable airports in the world, even among Americans. While the average American may not know what cities John Wayne International or George Bush Intercontinental are in, they will certainly identify Heathrow & Gatwick with London. I'm confident that most people worldwide are the same way.

If something must be renamed in Thatcher's honor, what about Luton?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:09 am

Think Mount Pleasant on the Falkland Islands would be a better bet for Thatcher International.
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:13 am

If they did name an airport after MT, they could have a direct link to Tehran's new Khomeini Airport; there's two names people will really find welcoming.

No, I don't think Thatcher is going to be a very welcoming name for an airport.
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:21 am

Whats wrong with the current names? Heathrow and Gatwick sound perfectly OK.
JFK got called that simply because it was at that time not uncommon in the US to name airports after distinguished government servants but also because JFK airports real name, Idlewild, did not have quite the same ring or cachet that made it sound like a major international airport.

Leave LHR & LGW alone.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:36 am

Heathrow and Gatwick, as many stated above, are two of the most famous airports in the world, just like JFK and Narita for example.

I see no reason to rename either of them, especially with a name of someone as controversial as Margaret Thatcher. I've nothing against the Iron Lady myself, but look at some of the opinions above...

An airport should be named so that everyone, well, at least almost everyone would like it. Warsaw Frederick Chopin is a perfect example. Why not, say,
William Shakespeare International, if it has to be renamed?

Just my opinion.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:41 am

Old Bill W would be good! Like Rome's Leonardo da Vinci.

This is also less prone to cause controversy than "Tom Jones International".
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:42 am

Keep Heathrow and Gatwick... Names don't work (Robin Hood Doncaster-Sheffield airport? Pur-lease!).

If one must be named after her, I suggest one in the north east, in an area ravaged by her and the miners strike (Hatfield would be a good choice was it not closed!).
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:52 am

Keep them as they are... Heathrow & Gatwick are fine!

It's not exactly like Diana has been relegated to nothing more than a belch in some worm's conversation.... hell, any book about her still becomes a best seller, and just the other day she's getting all this media coverage over post-crash/pre-mortem pictures.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:22 am

I would be scared to death landing in Thatcher International, I would certainly try to avoid it  Smile/happy/getting dizzy She had not at all charm like here friend Ronald Reagan, just a cold lady.
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:22 am

Heathrow's history goes far longer back than what is expressed in the BAA website! The original grass runway airport, at Hounslow Heath, was the place of the very first commercial international flight! For some good value information, explore the link below:-

http://www.thisislongford.com/heathrow.htm

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:31 am

Gatwick enjoys extensive, close links with european countries, somehow not quite in keeping with Margaret Thatcher's reign!

People would get confused for quite some time if Heathrow and Gatwick were rebranded as they are globally recognised names.

Perhaps Stansted could get a new name instead? It might get it recognised more outside of europe?
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:42 am

I thought the original post was a joke. At least I found it very entertaining and somewhat ironic since I think the idea of changing the airports names is rather impossible - it is not like the Brits are known for their eagerness for change of any kind.

Also, Sir Richard never liked Thatcher. She was a huge supporter of BA. She moved heaven and earth to privatize it - including having US President Reagan use his veto powers to terminate the litigation in the US that Sir Freddie Lakers started over collusion against his airline.

And of course, Gatwick is hardly intercontinental with its one physical runway.

 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:45 am

I think the name change idea sucks but adding a name would not be a dumb idea, like "London Gatwick - Thatcher International" or "London Heathrow - Churchill International".

Just my $ 0.02
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:51 am

The naming of airports is someting that often gets tangled up with politics. Don't rename LHR for a recent PM or LGW for someone local in politics or rename either for the current Queen or the late Princess Diana. Also don't choose to add to the name of a politican that hurt or had no involvement with avaiation/airlines - like DCA - formally Reagan National - a president whom fired US Air Traffic Controllers who when on strike, badly hurting the airlines in the Early 1980's.
The names of airports in the US, and elsewhere often chosen from: 1) those involved with the creation of the airport or expansion of it; 2) Great or popular politicians; 3) Persons involved with aircraft history or otherwise connected with aircraft, 4) Location
The main airport for Rio in Brazil (Santos), San Diego in Calif, USA (Lindburgh) Huntington, WV, USA (Chuck Yegar) are named after famous flyers. Bush/Houston International is named after former President Bush, who was a pilot who was shot down and almost killed in a flight during WWII in the Pacific by the Japanese. LGA airport in NYC is named after a mayor LaGurardia, who demanded a full service airport within NYC, not EWR being for 'New York'. Altlanta airport's recently changed full official name is that of 2 politicans - and old white, segergation era mayor and adding a recent, black mayor. JFK was renamed, like many schools and public buildings shortly after the assisnation of John F. Kennedy in November 1963. EWR recently added the word Liberty to it's formal airport name, to note 9/11. Many airports in the world take the name of the royality. Of course, the best is someting about the country, city or locality (like Heathrow)
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:21 am

To what has been said earlier by Lufthansa, I would add that Reagan and Thatcher were very good friends!!! Reagan National airport serves the capital of the US, it would make sense to have Gatwick renamed after Thatcher since it is serving the UK's capital Big grin
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:30 am

I have a better idea: let´s keep Gatwick as Gatwick an Heathrow for Heathrow. I don't see why change the name of those airports.
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:35 am

SNA used to be Santa Ana, but it was renamed John Wanye International not to honor the Duke, but to see if noise complaints would decrease. Orange County is a very Republican area, and John Wayne was a stauch Republican, having made commercials when Ronald Reagan ran for Governor of California in 1964.

That said, I have a problem with renaming things, whether it's airports, streets, buildings, or stadiums. I still refer to the home field of the 49ers as Candlestick Park, and the tall white building in Chicago is the Standard Oil Building, even though Standard Oil of Indiana became Amoco and then sold the building to Aon Insurance.

I love the Iron Lady, and my relatives in Wells, England think she is the 2nd greatest PM after Churchill. But I would leave well enough alone. Naming a navy ship after her would be appropriate, since the U.S. has a number of aircraft carriers named after Presidents. And if there is a commercial airport near where she grew up or within the parlimentary district she represented, that would be a good choice for naming something in her honor.
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:06 am

I hope they leave Gatwick and Heathrow as they are, no need to change them.

Here in the States, none of my relatives in the Northern Virginia area, whom I visit once a year or so, refer to DCA as anything other than "National". (Of course they also think Reagan was a pox on American politics, but that's not the issue here.)

I never thought politicians deserving of much honor anyway, as we've had good and bad recently, but few truly great leaders.

I am definately not a John Wayne fan, but I recognize the impact he's had on American culture. And he did (and still does) entertain his particular fans for decades.
Much better that some like Wayne, or John Lennon or Louis Armstrong be given honors, as they continue to entertain millions of people, decades after having died.

Leave well enough alone.
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:15 am

I'm a big advocate of naming airports after famous or local civilian or military aviation figures. MKE is named for Gen. Billy Mitchell, an aviation pioneer, Milwaukee native, and advocate of air power--a true visionary.

Naming them after politicians is a different story.

The ATL Hartsfield debacle is another thing altogether....race, corruption, you name it, every card in the book was pulled in that argument and all it did was divide a city (or at least the people who give a crap about re-naming an airport).

Americans are more into naming things for people it seems than are Europeans. As for why Churchhill doesn't have his name over more things in England is beyond me. One of the most profound statesmen in history.

 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:36 am

There is absolutely no need for a name change, there was speculation a few years ago about renaming Heathrow to something like "London Princess Diana International". Good job they decided not to rename it, Heathrow and Gatwick are two of the most famous words in the aviation industry, why change a successful formula? I have nothing against Thatcher, but why name the busiest international airport in the world after a person who nearly managed to wreck the UK? I'd rather prefer if Churchill was more widely used, he was after all voted the greatest Briton recently. Better to name a RN warship after one of them than an airport.



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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:10 am

Couple of bits of info;

Churchill was one of the Royal Navy's earlier nuclear powered attack submarines of the same class as Conqueror which sank the Belgrano in the Falklands War. Not sure how long it will be before his name is "recycled" by the RN.

Maggie hails from Grantham in the East Midlands (seem to remember it was once voted the most boring town in England many years ago) so EMA would be the logical choice to bear her name - would certainly stop the arguments between Nottingham, Derby and Leicester.
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:13 am

Whilst we have no need to change the names, Margaret Thatcher Intl would be a great name,she was the best PM we've had since Churchill and nobody has been better since she left office.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:08 am

As I see it, name the airport because where are situated or by someone really special person. It will allways be stupied to name an airport by the name of any political person who devided the people 50/50 and even 90/10, never do that, use a "neutral" word. I understand that New Delhi airport has the Indira Gaandhi name and I understand if J.bourg later will get the name Mandela Airport, but Brussel called Prodi Internatinal or Linata Berluccini International. How silly. The Cold Lady did not make a revolution to GB but was only conservative in the bad meaning.
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:35 am

"Perhaps Stansted could get a new name instead? It might get it recognised more outside of europe?"

Stansted's my local so I'd be delighted if that one came about. I still think she should get a kick-ass warship too.
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:35 am

Wreck the UK, Arsenal ?

Are you having a laffff ?

You might not remember the 3 day week, unions running the country, rubbish in the streets, power cuts and the IMF knocking on our door.

I do, and thanks to the iron lady we will never see those days again.

FWIW I'd prefer if the names of our airports weren't changed for the reasons mentioned above.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:43 am


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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:26 pm

Why fix something that ain't broke - Heathrow and Gatwick are just fine. Airports should be named after areas anyway which is where the airfield ACTUALLY is geographically.

Don't forget that apart from International passengers who may not know where the airfields are - the prefixes can often be misleading - (London) Stansted should really be Cambridge International and (London) Luton - just that - Luton International. Even (London) Gatwick is a far cry from London in reality - especially when I live nearer to it than any Londoner - living right on the Coast in Brighton!

Look what a disaster naming Liverpool - John Lennon International - has done - exactly - pretty much, nothing...

Let's just keep them as Heathrow, Gatwick, etc... (and the less said about Mrs.T and Princess Di the better!).

I just pray and hope Kuala Lumpur International Airport - which started off as being called Sepang International (its location) - NEVER gets named after any Malaysian politician!
 
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RE: Margaret Thatcher Intercontinental

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:29 pm

Well, as long I don't have to Thatcher ..
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