levg79
Posts: 918
Joined: Sat Sep 27, 2003 10:59 am

Tower Air In Bangor, Maine

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:21 am

Hello everyone!

It seems that FF used BGR as a refueling stop on all its Trans-Atlantic flights. Everyone I know who flew on FF from either SVO or TLV had to make fuel stops at BGR. Why is it?

I remember reading somewhere in other forums that they did so because fuel in BGR was cheaper than at JFK. But if they filled up their tanks, would a fully loaded B747 be able to land about an hour later without dumping it?

Also, those trans-Atlantic flights bound for JFK were always considered "non-stop", but always stopped at BGR for fuel. Was it an accident everytime that fuel ran out so quick? Or did FF did it intentionally?

I'm just trying to make some sense out of it, hopefully somebody can help.

Leo.

[Edited 2004-04-22 19:30:28]
A mile of runway takes you to the world. A mile of highway takes you a mile.
 
L.1011
Posts: 2163
Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2001 7:46 am

RE: Tower Air In Bangor, Maine

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:25 am

Well many Fe 747s were 747-100s that (afaik) can't make it SVO/TLV-JFK nonstop. But if they were the 747-200s, there's a different issue there.
 
LY4XELD
Posts: 659
Joined: Tue Mar 21, 2000 5:14 am

RE: Tower Air In Bangor, Maine

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:26 am

They certainly made it sound like an accident when I had to stop there....like "oh, we've got really strong headwinds and have to stop in Bangor."
That's why we're here.
 
CO2BGR
Posts: 506
Joined: Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:30 am

RE: Tower Air In Bangor, Maine

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:36 am

I am from BGR, But was not old enough to remember specifics about the Tower Air opperations here, but I will give some background on the situation here.

Back in the late 80s early 90s BGR was a very popular stopping point for many airlines. The IAB was always busy and I remember seeing Tower Air planes there very frequently. Jet-A was on the cheap side, the fuel farm is VREY large with the air guard opperation. Landing fees were also much lower than other place in the north east. Pan Am had several trans atlantic flights stop in BGR for range issues to other destinations. One could buy a ticket BGR-LHR nonstop. BGR was also a popular place for charters between Europe and Florida and Mexico to stop, and clear customs, as immigrtion fees are also low here.

As for Tower, they probably scheduled flights through BGR, and BSed there paxs to what was going on, considering the shady opperation they had going and all.

Contact me if you have further questions, I will try my best to help.
There are too many self indulgent weiners in this town with too much bloody money" Randal Raines- Gone in 60 Seconds
 
capitol8s
Posts: 95
Joined: Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:23 am

RE: Tower Air In Bangor, Maine

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:27 am

Alot of these tech stops also CLEARED US CUSTOMS which made the departure out of BGR easier on the downline arrival station. Once the a/c departed BGR for points within the US were considered a domestic flight.

"Happiness is a flight on a Capitol Air DC-10"
 
twalives
Posts: 172
Joined: Sun May 13, 2001 9:35 pm

RE: Tower Air In Bangor, Maine

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:35 am

I was on a Tower Air TLV-JFK that made an "unscheduled stop" at BGR for fuel. We were onboard a 747-200. The annoucement of our stop was made about 3 hours prior to expected touchdown at JFK. I cannot confirm that the refueling was done intentionally, however, I do know that Tower Air did this ALL the time.
 
CO2BGR
Posts: 506
Joined: Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:30 am

RE: Tower Air In Bangor, Maine

Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:05 am

Yes customs fees at JFK are insanely high, to avoid it...stop in BGR.

A 747-200 has plenty of range to go TLV-JFK...only 5000 miles or so...Tower BSed the stop in BGR to save money...The stops were not in the schedules but were planned.

Too bad BGR does not get this kind of traffic any more, just RJs and KC135s...gets boring after a while.
There are too many self indulgent weiners in this town with too much bloody money" Randal Raines- Gone in 60 Seconds
 
ultrapig
Posts: 568
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:38 pm

RE: Tower Air In Bangor, Maine

Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:52 am

TWA flew TLV-JFK-They had both 747-100's and a few 200's. During the heat of the summer with full loads both planes regularly made fuel stops-even though not on the schedule-sometimes in CDG or MAD where they had stations.

Just before they got rid of the 747's and switched to 767-300's the actually scheduled a technically stop at SNN.

It hard for me to believe that it would be less expensive for a fully loaded 747 to make an extra stop with an extra landing fee and at least an extra hour of flight time climbing and descending than to go ns-so its surprising to me that Tower made the stops in Bangor if it did not have to-

How does Bangor airport work-How can they have enough people on staff to fee and refuel a plane when they don't know if they will have traffic or not-what do they charge to stop-

 
CO2BGR
Posts: 506
Joined: Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:30 am

RE: Tower Air In Bangor, Maine

Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:23 am

Back then BGR had full time customs and immigration shaff...Frequently all4 gates in the IAB would be full...The fulltime staff is gone now...no demand. BGR had little traffic...No arrival holds or departure queues. The extention of flight time would be very minimal, say 20 minutes. Flight crews are paid by the flight hour...not much more expense there. Also fuel use is much less at arrival and taxi than cruise.

Maybe Tower is no longer with us because of the BGR fuel stops...Who knows?
There are too many self indulgent weiners in this town with too much bloody money" Randal Raines- Gone in 60 Seconds

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: aerlingus747, ap305, ba319-131, BHM, brendows, DC2002, Dutchy, FabDiva, Google [Bot], greg787, LazarosK, manicottiK, moo, MrHMSH, na, OzarkD9S, rocketPower, SAAFNAV, SamYeager2016, SCQ83, stefanor8, SteveXC500, tvh, VN777, Wolfman, Yahoo [Bot] and 315 guests