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BA 744 News!

Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:46 am

 Sad  Sad  Sad  Sad  Sad  Sad  Sad  Sad

G-BNLZ the second to last BA 747 with a Utopia scheme (Animals and Trees) has been repainted and the final one G-CIVN is due to be done this month Sad. In fact it might be being done now. IF they do come back to LGW it will be a shame, no world tails Sad, this is sad, oh well we still got a lot (or not) of 777s left with them,

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:05 am

Those liveries were amazing, but the now classic one is still even better  Laugh out loud


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Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:15 am

I'm happy to see G-BNLZ has finally got a Union Flag tail. I seemed to see that aircraft wherever I went, and I couldn't stand the "Dogs Sh!tting Under A Tree" Utopia tail!
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:19 am

>>>... "Dogs Sh!tting Under A Tree" Utopia tail!.....

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:23 am

How many 777s left with world tails? I saw Chelsea Rose 2 days ago... other than that it's been ages since I saw one.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:28 am

Weren't they supposed to be keeping 'Chelsea Rose' as the tail design for British Asia Airways?
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:43 am

All BA aircraft will recieve the Union Flag "Chatham Historic Dockyard" tail design. I'm fairly sure that the "British Asia Airways" titles don't exist anymore anyway. Not really an issue now BA don't fly to Taipei.

Originally only Concorde was going to have the current tail design with the rest of the fleet having the other Utopia tails, most of which looked awful. It was later decided to paint 50% of the fleet with Union Flag tails, and eventually it was adopted fleetwide.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:47 am

Can't agree with you more, AirxLiban. BA Landor all the way!  Smile



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Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:51 am

i agree that the old ba livery was by far the best. seemed to fit ba's image very well. does anyone know if any 777s were painted in that livery?
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:00 am

How appropriate, G-CIVN was the last BA 747-400 I flew with from YVR-LHR.

I mainly fly VS, however I've somehow managed to avoid the "UK tail" when flying longhaul BA, but I guess no longer ..........  Sad

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:00 am

nevermind, i found the answer to my own question.  Smile


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Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:01 am

The 777 entered the BA fleet in late 1995, which I think was about 2 years before the world tails came in. That would mean about a dozen 777's would have flown in the Landor colours.

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:37 am

I disagree, from a passengers point of view, I was always sad when I saw a Landor plane at the gate, as I knew I would have the old BA product inside (i.e. cradle seats, naff IFE) - they tended to upgrade the interiors with the exterior paint.

For this reason, I've always been happy to see the new livery, but I still prefer the world tails, good old Column was my favorite.... RIP  Sad

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:39 am

G-BNLZ is now in the Union Flag tail and has had special "Change For Good" titles added to the forward fuselage beneath the cockpit


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Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:37 pm

I think the 777s looked fantastic in the old scheme...

I agree with many of you - the "Landor" scheme looked great!

Well, maybe a BA 'retrojet' in that scheme in say, 20 years!

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:23 pm

Shame, but I'm not too fussed about it anymore. After all it is only the paint on the outside. Surely what's inside matters the most.

Most of BA's aircraft look OK in the Union Flag scheme (thank god they chose the "higher up on the tail" union flag design to the other one, the other one was awful) -

"Higher up on tail" notice that the design goes almost to the top in the first one, yet only to about the middle on the second one.


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Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:53 pm

Stephen the older Union Flag painted aircraft tend to have the lower one. Most of the 735s do as they were painted into the scheme quite early. here are still quite a few 777s left (Most LGW based Smile Smile Smile)

Thinking off of the top of my head,

G-VIIA - Waves of the City
G-VIIK - Animals and trees
G-VIIM - Waves and Cranes
G-VIIN - Can't remeber but something
G-VIIO - Chelsea Rose
G-VIIP - Colum (there ya go Richard28 Laugh out loud)
G-VIIR- Tartan (yay!!!)
G-VIIS - English Rose (again tehe  Laugh out loud)
G-VIIU - Not sure LHR based
G-RAES - Deftblue Daybreak LHR based

These are just off the top of my head believe it or not  Big grin so please feel free to correct me

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:17 pm

Ive really never been a fan of BA's schemes, although the tail in the top photograph is very nice.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:51 pm

Another shock horror!  Wow! G-BPEC has lost her world tail!  Sad I always use to BPEC wherever I went. I saw it at COncorde day at EDI.


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Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:53 pm

The world tails are rapidly becoming more and more less frequent, however i was surprised when BA 767 G-BZHA pulled up at the gate for my return to LHR from PRG last month....


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Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:15 pm

Guys, G-RAES has been repainted to Union Flag colors.....
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:51 pm

When BA under Robert Ayling came out with the new scheme a lot of people were stunned and mystified with the new scheme, incuding Maggie Thatcher who doomed the entire scheme during that famous episode when she covered the tail on a BA model aircraft in new colors with a folded napkin.

I was fortunate to come accross a senior BA person who said that BA wanted to be seen as a bold and pioneering airline in the aviation industry. He explained that given the majority of the passengers that fly BA are not from the UK it wanted to demonstrate more visibly that BA truly was not only a British global airline but also lived up to its motto of being the worlds favourite airline. Thus the concept of representing on it aircrafts tails artwork and designs of countries and cultures of people who fly BA was brave and unique, at least in theory. In practice people didn't like it, especially within the UK who felt that BA as a flag carrier should have retained the red white & blue.
I personally thought the scheme was fantastic, imaginative and bold. Outside the aircraft's appearance set it apart from all others but inside there was no mistaking the thorough British-ness of its crew,staff and service.

I'm sad to see some of the older designs go, though it was short-lived I think several years from now it will be remembered well. However, the new wavy flag scheme is also great, stands out and is immediately recognizable. The old Landor scheme with its dull colors was precisely that; dull.

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Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:18 am

I really cant understand why they got rid of the "Landor" livery, it was so elegant, so English. I used to love that "to fly to serve" thing on the tail.
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:26 am

Guys the current situation with the 757s:

GBPEC Boeing B757 236 24882 / 323 Union Flag
GBPED Boeing B757 236ER 25059 / 363 Union Flag
GBPEE Boeing B757 236 25060 / 364 Union Flag
GBPEI Boeing B757 236 25806 / 601 Union Flag
GBPEJ Boeing B757 236 25807 / 610 Union Flag
GBPEK Boeing B757 236 25808 / 665 Union Flag
GCPEL Boeing B757 236 24398 / 224 Union Flag
GCPEM Boeing B757 236 28665 / 747 Union Flag
GCPEN Boeing B757 236 28666 / 751 Union Flag
GCPEO Boeing B757 236 28667 / 762 Union Flag
GCPER Boeing B757 236 29113 / 784 Union Flag
GCPES Boeing B757 236 29114 / 793 Union Flag
GCPET Boeing B757 236 29115 / 798 Union Flag


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Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:19 am

I think we should look at the lineage of BA if you are looking for class and elegance in their livery. Landor is a close 2nd but this is the best.


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Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:24 am

Im glad those "utopia" tails are gone... couldn't stand them!
Like the new "union flag" though!
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:25 am

Skyguy, you're absolutely correct in that the majority of BA's passengers aren't British, and in fact aren't even arriving or departing the UK on their journeys. So, it could seem perfectly rational to attempt to appeal to a more 'global' clientele.

HOWEVER,

What the marketing-moonies forgot was that these people fly BA because it is [b]British[/b]....which signifies to many quality, service, reliability and above all excellence.

Painting cartoons on the tail diminished that somewhat, which is why the Union Flag livery has returned.

As far as I am concerned, it is simply an update of the original "British airways" livery.
 
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:00 am

Eg777er: I totally agree with you. While I appreciated BA's bold attempt at doing something unusual and unique, it was not particularly practical and in the end either alienated passengers or confused them which is clearly NOT the effect that a powerful corporate image is supposed to achieve.

Had this been done on a smaller or less well known airline, I do not think there would have been the kind of uproar that BA witnessed. BA, to a certain extent, is a victim of its own success in that every move it makes is carefully scrutinized by competitors and customers.
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:25 am

A340600

G-VIIN used to carry Whale Rider livery and G-VIIU used to have Delftblue Daybreak. Not sure what either carry now as I haven't been to LGW for quite some time.

Can't beat the Chelsea Rose on the 744 tho.

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Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:38 am

The Landor scheme would have looked way better with some toning up: the dark, oppressive blue to a marine blue, perhaps, and the grey to white. Othereise the design was fine; one of the smartest, sharpest and most professional out there. The Landor colours were too Victorian and unfortunately too accurate a reflection of the normal colour of the sky above as the aircraft sat...well, anywhere in Britain: GREY!!! (But that's what made it so British! The ONLY aircraft that never shone under the Argentine sun at EZE was BA's 744!)

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Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:59 am

Sorry if this is a obvious question to some, but I have always wondered why BA had to wear British Asia Airways titles when flying to Taipei?
 
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:28 am

I really didn't like the world tails,except for Chelsea Rose. I loved the Landor scheme alot.
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:38 am

GVIIU still wears the world tail, but GVIIN is now painted in the union flag colors. Both aircraft are LHR based, not LGW.
 
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:38 am

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This was a temporary colour scheme done to some aircraft just before the switch over from the Landor livery to the World Images.

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Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:08 pm

They should use the current scheme but with the Landor tail (kind of like LH423's picture above). A bit of the old and new.


I wish someone at Waterside would make the decision to keep a couple of the world tails flying (at least the British ones).

In addition to the Chatham Historic Dockyard:
(1) Chelsea Rose (England)
(2) Benyhone Tartan (Scotland)
(3) Colum (Not really British, but it's Irish)


... I'm also very sad to see that G-BNLZ (Animals and Trees 744) has been repainted this last month, along with G-RAES (Delft Blue Daybreak 772). G-RAES was sort of special because it stood for Royal Aeronautical Society.  Crying

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Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:18 pm

Why was there a "temporary" color scheme?
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:16 pm

I was surprsied when GRAES was repainted. It was the first aircraft to get the new world tails. The rumor was that it was going to be the last one to revert to the union flag. I guess it was a real rumor.
 
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:09 am

Sorry if this is a obvious question to some, but I have always wondered why BA had to wear British Asia Airways titles when flying to Taipei?

I think it's got something to do with diplomatic recognition. China believes that it is the legitimate government of Taiwan, and Taiwan believes that it is the legitimate government of China. Therefore, each appeared to believe that for a foreign flag carrier to fly to the other implied diplomatic recognition of that place, since these carriers were/are seen as extensions of their national governments.
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:57 am

I too was surprised when G-RAES was repainted. It was actually a friend working for another airline who told me about the change. I remember when I first started working for BA seeing some of the 777s still painted in the Landor livery. I started in July 2002, by that Fall they were all gone  Sad

However, for those of you who fly BA frequently, I'm sure you'll notice vestiges of the way things were still floating around. A lot of printed materials featuring the old logo and typeface are still in use as it is seen as better to just use it up until it's gone rather than throw it away. Things like customer service cards, volunteer forms (forms we give to volunteers explaining what's being offered), and standby tags will occasionally still be from the older days. However, that is rapidly going away and soon nothing will be left.

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Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:06 am


Sorry if this is a obvious question to some, but I have always wondered why BA had to wear British Asia Airways titles when flying to Taipei?


Just a further follow on (thanks Cadmus for answering that question by the way). Qantas too had to wear Qantas Asia titles. Such titles had to be shown if their aircraft was flying to a Chinese and Taiwanese city at the same time. Now the situation is more tenable and has been resolved so that is why BA is not wearing the titles now.

 
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:11 am

Sorry if this is a obvious question to some, but I have always wondered why BA had to wear British Asia Airways titles when flying to Taipei?

An issue to do with China.I believe that China wouldn't let European airlines(and others?) that flew into Taiwan to fly into China mainland as well hence the setting up of subsidiaries to get around.Or something along those lines.I'm sure somebody else knows the details.
 
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:36 pm

I really enjoyed very much the world tails of British Airways. But I have to admit it was hard to connect British Culture to all those World Tails.
I prefer the Union Flag style. It shows more of the British Spirit.
But I have to say, all of those styles were amazing and very artistic.

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Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:16 pm

I don't like all BA schemes, they are old-fashoined, boring, ugly!!!

But the world tails are OK...but kinda non-British!!

Let's just blame it on yields.
 
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RE: BA 744 News!

Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:31 am

I really think that just the Union brings more style

HOWEVER

I think that they should have split 50/50, half Union and half Chelsea Rose, they are also very british,


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Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:56 am

BA001 Concorde, I too wish that some Chelsea Rose, Colum and Bennyhone tails had remained. However, as that would have covered England, Ireland and Scotland BA would have had to have had a Welsh design too. Maybe a daffodil? (I know the Leek is the official emblem but a daffodil would have looked better!). Anybody have any other suggestions, given that each World Tail was based on a traditional art form, as to what an appropriate Welsh design would have been?

BA, KL, AF and SR all had subsiduries to fly to Taiwan. But today doesn't seem to be an issue - look at CX flying to both Mainland China and Taiwan.
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Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:09 am

I feel lucky to have had the chance to fly on G-VIIJ in february whilst it was still in the Bennyhone Tartan tail, it now wears the union flag tail. It was of my favourite tails, alongside Chelsea Rose. However, I agree that the union flag tail gives more style and unity to the BA fleet.


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Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:29 am

I think an airline like BA should not have anything too wild or radical painted on their aircraft. The current livery gives and appropriate look - smart, modern and clean. The Concorde version without the blue underside and engines looked very elegant.
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:54 am

LH423:

Not quite. My proposal was to leave the DESIGN the same, and even the red line too, but merely tone up the mid and upper fuselage to a brighter white and the lower fuselage, engines and blue on the fin to a sort marine blue, more or less like the one they use now. Professional though the Landor colours were, they were a little on the "heavy" side. "To Fly To Serve" was perhaps one of the best mottos around, and certainly stylishly ornate. (I'd keep that in silver.)
The World Designs, creative though they were, were naff and Newage. They reflected the period of national confusion Britain has entered under Blair, from the "Cool Britannia" rubbish to the schmoozing with the US and the EU. It does not reflect the Britain people around the world imagine or admire. The Landor colours were, at least British, and I don't even mean that in the "British Empire" sense--dating from the '80s, it was more up to date than that. What I mean is it was smart, formal, sober and as melancholy as the British weather. It wasn't uplifting but it was British. There was no mistaking the nationality of the aircraft wearing the Landor colours. You'd be forgiven however for mistaking a World Design-wearing aircraft for coming from India or the Far East. It was a cheesy "multicultural" look, which above all wore mediocre and fairly amateur art designs. Britain isn't Italy. And if Alitalia doesn't wear anything resembling a 15th or 16th century Rennaissance masterpiece, then the last airline that should be trying to reflect a creative and artsy population is a British one, IMHO.

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