Greg
Topic Author
Posts: 5539
Joined: Sat May 28, 2005 1:11 am

Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:43 am

The 340-300, while clearly not the most spectacular performer in terms of exciting takeoffs (not a major consideration to any airline I've talked to..), is still very cost competitive in the 'long-thin' arena.

While I suspect there will be some follow on orders from some legacy carriers--does anyone see any other carriers ordering the aircraft--particularly since the recent enhancements have made it even more competitive?

Intelligent replies appreciated.

Brgds.
 
717fan
Posts: 1977
Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:51 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:17 am

If Swiss is improving I could see more A-340-300 for them, but not in the near future.
 
haveric
Posts: 1219
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2001 9:31 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:27 am

If US somehow pulls through, I can see them eventually adding a few A340s for service to NRT and TLV.

 
User avatar
yyz717
Posts: 15697
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:26 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:47 am

I see the following airlines possibly making further or initial 343 orders (whether E or not): Lan Chile, AR, Aeromexico, South African, China Eastern, Air-India, Iberia, Aeroflot, Sri Lankan, China Eastern, China Airlines, BMI, Aer Lingus, US Airways.

The 343/343E still makes a good smaller running mate for the 345/346. Also, Airbus could offer some older 343 customers roll-over offers with new 343E fleets.

With Aeroflot recently ordering the 32X, I see them as an option for the 343. I also see BMI & Aer Lingus as 343 customers as they entertain routes longer than their 332's can serve.

Similarly, if US survives, a long term route option for them would be PHL-NRT for which the 343E could be added.
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
Jetboy80
Posts: 17
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:35 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:53 am

SAS could order some more for the West coast US ore the Asia flights.
It would be the 340-300 ore the 330-300, but I am not sure about the range for this A/C.
 
ConcordeBoy
Posts: 16852
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2001 8:04 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:08 pm

As Aeroflot is divesting of all western aircraft larger than the 772, I rather doubt A343s are in their interest.
Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre c'est impossible sans Concorde!
 
User avatar
yyz717
Posts: 15697
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:26 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:14 pm

As Aeroflot is divesting of all western aircraft larger than the 772, I rather doubt A343s are in their interest.

I understood they were returning their 772's to focus on the 763 fleet. I just thought that with the recent 32X order it opens the door for a 343 order. I agree it may not be likely.





I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
EddieDude
Posts: 6302
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:19 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:07 pm

YYZ717, recently Airbus regional sales manager for Mexico and Central America was interviewed by a major business newspaper from Mexico City and he admitted that he had failed in trying to convince AM to replace its 762ER's with widebodies from Airbus. AM, on the other hand, does not deny its closeness to Boeing... I think you can trace that relationship back to the Douglas days. There was a time when AM had an all-(Mad) Dog fleet: DC-9's, MD-8x's and DC-10's. Before then, AM also had DC-8's. As you know, the DC-10's were replaced with 767ER's and now AM is in the process of replacing its few DC-9's left and its large MD-8x fleet with 73W's (and probably some 738's too). The only non-Boeing planes in AM's fleet are the EMB145's used by AeroLitoral (the regional carrier) but one could say it is a different airline. Finally, although AM is not in a financial position to get more widebodies at this point, the rumor that it will get 772ER's for its European routes as soon as possible is becoming stronger every day. In the meantime, in order to add frequencies to MAd and South America, AM is replacing the 752's whose leases are expiring with more 762ER's. I hope that we can see the first 772ER's arrive before the summer 2005 season.

MX, on the other hand, is becoming more of an Airbus operator. Long gone are the days when MX had an all-Boeing fleet (all-727 to be accurate). Now, with the exception of a number of 752's, its narrowbody fleet is mainly Airbus (A319's and A320's) and the F100's are going to be replaced by new A318's this year. There are rumors that MX will start new long haul routes soon (to Europe) and that it has decided that it will get A332's for that endeavor (the ex-SK 763ER that they are leasing and that is flown to EZE is just an "experiment" and, therefore, interim). Today, however, an even more surprising rumor was posted here in a.net saying that MX is studying the possibility of flying to Asia instead of Europe and that it is talking to Airbus in that regard. Since MEx is hot and high and some flights leaving from MEx are cargo-restricted, A340's might be a good choice if MX is serious about Asia. I don't know if the A343E would be able to do, for example, MEx-PVG, MEx-NRT or MEx-HKG non-stop, but the A345 would definitely do it. Take this rumor with a grain of salt but think of how amazing it would be to see an A340 in MX livery.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
User avatar
yyz717
Posts: 15697
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:26 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:20 pm

Thanks for the low down on AM & MX EddieDude!  Smile

I only mentioned AM since I knew their 762ER fleet was aging. Sounds like they will indeed add the 772 then!

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
mark777300
Posts: 377
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:30 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:23 pm

It's kind of hard to determine who will order more A340-300's, but with the 300E now available with a slightly improved range and a -500 like flight deck, It should find buyers. The following airlines might be contenders for more A340-300'S:

Emirates
Lan Chile
China Airlines
Cathay Pacific

and although I'm not so sure about this, but Air India has yet to make a decision on their long haul fleet renewal. But like I said before, it's hard to tell with the current market conditions as well as having the -500 and -600 models available.
 
EddieDude
Posts: 6302
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:19 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:33 pm

Yeah, it is aging indeed. An a.net member from Venezuela recently posted a horror story about a flight from SCL to MEx on a 762ER from AM. Apparently the air-con was not working properly. I have been on at least two different 762ER's and the 763ER from AM and all my flights were pleasant; I found the planes to be in good shape but they are surely getting old and failures like this air-con incident might start happening more often than desired.

I guess tomorrow we will see lots of posts in the "MX in Europe" thread inquiring as to the grounds of the MX to Asia rumor. Hopefully this is serious and not just cheap talk because then an A340 might be closer than ever for MX. I need to see the range ratings of the A343E and the A345 (and ask an expert) because I don't know if the A343E can do a MEx-Asia non-stop.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
ZK-NBT
Posts: 4995
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2000 5:42 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:10 pm

LAN certainly I think could do with some more long haul aircraft soon and I guess with the 343 already in the fleet, these would be the most logical choice unless they want some more range with 345's or 346's.

Maybe China Airlines might pick up a few more!

Personally though I think the 343 will see very few orders myself!

Cathay will be returning some starting next year and EK's are ex SQ and are just a stop gap although they will be with EK for 8-9 years I believe!
 
usair330
Posts: 691
Joined: Thu Mar 14, 2002 12:48 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:29 pm

The chances of US getting an A340 to start service to NRT is slim to none... US codeshares with United so there's really no point of them doing it. Although it would be nice to see an A340 (500 or 600) in those colors Big grin!
 
asianguy767
Posts: 247
Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2003 11:17 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:42 pm

I thought that Airbus was no longer going to produce the A340-200 n -300 in favour of concentrating on the -500 n -600?
 
Guest

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:08 pm

Airbus now procuce the A340-300e (a recent enhancment sold to SAA) the A340-500, which is really only a ULR plane and the A340-600. The A343e is still a competitive plane, i dont see too many orders though as the market for 772/343 sized planes is becoming fairly saturated and most airlines would prefer the 333 over the A343e.

The A343e weighs 41 tonnes less than an A345 so it is still an important plane. The A345 only really has the advantage on ULR routes, high cargo range and hot and high airports, so if these factors arent an issue the A343e is the preffered choice.

Some airlines who already own the A343 will order a few more but as far as new customers go, possibly;

MX
NZ
QF
AI
NW

I guess anyone who operates the A330, doesnt own 777's and needs the range may consider it



 
bluethunder
Posts: 58
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:22 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:02 am

Mark777300:

I dont think EK will order any more new 343s. The 343s they got were Ex SQs which were ment to be a temporary solution till they got delivery of the 346s and the 773ERs.
I remember someone else on this forumn saying that once the new a/c arrive they will move some of the 343s to Srilankan.
 
EddieDude
Posts: 6302
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:19 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:25 am

By any chance does anybody recall the name of the thread that discussed the delivery of the A343E's to SA? I am looking for more info on the E's capabilities (range, payload, etc.) and I recall that there were some postings there thad dealt with the specs of the airplane. I was unable to find the thread using the search function.

Thanks.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
Guest

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:44 am

 
LVZXV
Posts: 1729
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:03 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:05 am

YYZ717:

I doubt AR will acquire any A343s. For some reason, the company never received the 2 that were due back in 2000 (F-OHPL, OHPM). AR has flown 4 A342s since 1999, and has a 5th scheduled for delivery this (southern) winter. As more 744s are coming in and the A346 order is apparently still on, I don't see why AR would order A343s, since they're clearly happy with the performance of the A342.

XV
How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
 
AF-A319
Posts: 567
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 1999 3:18 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:11 am

Air Tahiti Nui is also supposed to get a 5th A343-300 in June 2005 to start services to SYD and NYC.
 
warren747sp
Posts: 984
Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2004 7:51 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:24 am

I doubt very much CI will order more A340-300. They have range issues with the standard 300 flying non-stop Taipei-JFK.
They do have a standing order with Airbus for 10 A330-300.
747SP
 
fido73
Posts: 33
Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2003 12:58 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:28 am

Finnair is getting rid of its MD11 in 5-6 years time and it already operates a fleet of A32S-types, so A343E is a strong contender to replace the trimotors. But the 7E7 will also be available by that time so Boeing will most probably offer that, as it will also have enough range to do HEL-BKK fully loaded. A346 could be a possibility also but it is far too big for HEL-JFK during the thin winter months. I expect a good old price war between Boeing and Airbus.
Long Beach Iron Works - still going strong!
 
na
Posts: 9206
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 1999 3:52 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:01 pm

As someone stated already, the A343/B772 market is becoming highly saturated now and I doubt we´ll the large order hausse these types had over the last 5 years. These aircraft were aimed at replacing DC-10s and L-1011s (as well as MD-11s now and, to a lesser degree, 747 Classics and 767s). That is done now. Most orders that will come in over the next years will just be about enlarging fleets.

I wonder what LH will do with the A340-311s they have since 1993. Most A343s are of enhanced -313X standard.
 
Udo
Posts: 4288
Joined: Tue May 18, 1999 5:16 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:24 pm

I guess LH will keep their A340-311 for some more years. They don't need the -313X's range for most of their A340 Classic routes.


Regards
Udo
Me & You & a Plane Named Blue...
 
behramjee
Posts: 4367
Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:56 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:30 pm

The only future big A 343 order is for 18 aircraft (10 firm 8 options) by AIR INDIA. They have approved it but the Indian Govt still as usual hasnt so theyre gonna try and lease the aircraft to speed up the process...thats the latest Ive heard from that part of the world.
 
B747-437B
Posts: 8777
Joined: Thu May 30, 2002 6:54 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:34 pm

theyre gonna try and lease the aircraft to speed up the process...

Curious where you heard this from? My usually very well placed sources say that the board DIDN'T even discuss the lease-in of A340s issue at last week's meeting but will be waiting till next month's meeting after the elections before examining the options.
"The A340-300 may boast a long range, but the A340 is underpowered" -- Robert Milton, CEO - Air Canada
 
mrniji
Posts: 5382
Joined: Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:51 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:08 pm

The only future big A 343 order is for 18 aircraft (10 firm 8 options) by AIR INDIA.

Yes, I expect this to happen too, but only to add some confusion. I chatted for an hour with an AI flight attendant last week on my AI flight, and he told me that he expects AI to switch to the 777 for the long range and the 320/321 for the short range, I don't know how accurate this info is, does anyone have some backup / other info on this. Well, he might know since he works with AI, but on the other hand I personally expect them to go with the 340, although the Indian govt has already changed once an IC order for 757 to 320 in the 80s... hmmm, I don't know what to believe anymore, inputs appreciated. But we can agree that everything can happen...

Udo, could you give me some infos on the differences between the -311 and -313X (and if someone knows, between the 747-437B and -4B5 - just curiosity)
"The earth provides enough resources for everyone's need, but not for some people's greed." (Gandhi)
 
User avatar
solnabo
Posts: 5025
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:53 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:20 pm

Why not make it like the 340-8000, then the 343X has range for 8000 miles, but I guess it would be the end for A340-500 (8500 m)
Just my 50 öre  Big grin

Michael//SE Big grin
Airbus SAS - Love them both
 
ConcordeBoy
Posts: 16852
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2001 8:04 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:00 am

Why not make it like the 340-8000, then the 343X has range for 8000 miles, but I guess it would be the end for A340-500 (8500 m)


Lotta things wrong with the above statement:

1) The A340-8000 is but a concept that was never launched (factory-built) into commerical service

2) If it was, it would have been the A340-213X, not any form of A340-300

3) The A342 is no longer new built, so fat chance of this ever happening. It also wouldnt interfer much with the already weak C-market sales, as the A345's per seat costs are far superior to this such model.
Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre c'est impossible sans Concorde!
 
Adria
Posts: 781
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2000 7:53 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:23 am

"The A342 is no longer new built"...........yes it is
 
User avatar
solnabo
Posts: 5025
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:53 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:32 am

Well, hello "Mr know-it-all"  Big grin

Michael//SE
Airbus SAS - Love them both
 
ConcordeBoy
Posts: 16852
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2001 8:04 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:41 am

Actually, no it's not

At present, the only way to acquire and A342 from Airbus is via their asset management program, who'd more than likely attempt to barter a used aircraft than create a new one.

It would take a significantly large order for Airbus to consider restarting the A342 program, which wouldn't be all that difficult for them to do... just that the chances of that occuring are slim to none.
Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre c'est impossible sans Concorde!
 
airxliban
Posts: 4288
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:05 am

isn't one of the jordanian royal family A340's an A340-8000?
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
Greg
Topic Author
Posts: 5539
Joined: Sat May 28, 2005 1:11 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:11 am

Yes, but the modifications to make it a -8000 were not performed on the factory floor....they were handled at a mod center after the Aircraft was built to -200 standards.
 
Guest

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:32 am

why would anyone want an A342, they weigh the same as an A343
 
FLYtoEGCC
Posts: 929
Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:56 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:21 am

"why would anyone want an A342, they weigh the same as an A343"

Not strictly true.

Empty weights:
A340-200 : 278,900lb
A340-300 : 288,100lb

MTOW is the same.
Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away...
 
DfwRevolution
Posts: 8650
Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:31 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:26 am

Isn't Aer Lingus looking at new longhaul aircraft for asian routes? I did some research and an A340 would be have some difficulty landing/taking off at DUB.
 
LVZXV
Posts: 1729
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:03 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:20 am

Roberta:

The A342 is longer range, capable of EZE-AKL and EZE-FCO for example. In AR's case, it suits them.

XV

How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
 
airxliban
Posts: 4288
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:28 am

Isn't Aer Lingus looking at new longhaul aircraft for asian routes?

I believe so. According to their website, by december 2005, they will have the following aircraft in their fleet:

6 Airbus A321
21 Airbus A320
4 Airbus A330-300
3 Airbus A330-200

as opposed to now:

6 A321
9 A320
8 737-500
3 737-400
4 A330-300
3 A330-200

So i'm not exactly sure what is happening, but to my understanding some of the leases are expiring for the A330s? If this is the case, perhaps they plan on extending them. Either way, it would appear as though they're commited to the A330 for the time being.
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
Guest

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:49 am

The A342 is longer range, capable of EZE-AKL and EZE-FCO for example. In AR's case, it suits them

The original series of the A342 was longer ranged but when Airbus improved the models they offered the A340-300x and the A340-200x. the 300x had the similar range (7300nm) compared the A340-200 original, which had a 7400nm range. The A340-200x has a range of 8000nm's but no-on bought it (apart from the prototype) because it was too small, which meant F/efficientcies were not good enough to justify a ULR service. The A340-500 has a much superior fuel efficientcy per seat and a longer range. So there really is no market for the A340-200, which is why it is out of production.
 
Adria
Posts: 781
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2000 7:53 am

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:06 pm

But the A342 is still on offer
 
cba
Posts: 4228
Joined: Sat Jul 15, 2000 2:02 pm

RE: Future A340-300 Orders

Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:18 am

The A340-300, with a not-shabby range of 7300nm will most likely be around a lot longer. The A345 is much heavier, hence, more expensive to operate on a flight that could be served by the A343.

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos