Russophile
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QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:31 pm

....virtual airline!

Looks to me that QF is going to have some egg on their face, when it becomes clear that their marketing and branding people have ripped off a trademark and their livery from a virtual airline.

http://www.jetstarairlines.com/pressrelease.html

The JetStar which is trademarked



QANTAS JetStar



Part of me says that if QF or their contractors, stole the JetStar design, brand, etc, then this is wrong.

But then the other part of me which is disgusted with US trademark laws, says good on QANTAS. Now all we need is a few more trademarks breached where money is actually involved, and then we can make up for the Ugg fiasco.
 
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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:49 pm

Whats this new airline, will they be based in Australia and why are they not getting 737NG's to slot in with QF's 737
 
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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:56 pm

Roberta, Keep up at the back!  Smile

Yes JetStar will be based in Oz. They will be using A320s to compete with Virgin Blue's B737s.

Use the Search function - there are a number of JetStar topics in this forum.
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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:40 pm

Roberta, Keep up at the back!

sorry as much as i like aviation, an new LCC starting in Australia is not really going to interest me here in London

And why the heck arent they getting 737's. QF use 737's, so they could share maintenance.
 
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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:43 pm

I say good for them - QF's version is clearly a rip-off of the original - just look at the shape of the star!!

I hope the VA is successful - it's clearly been around far longer than the Qantas version.

It wouldn't take QF long to sue the virtual airline for copyright infringements would it?

 
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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:46 pm

Ummm...what's a virtual airline? It sounds fake, like something a 15 year old would make up because he has no friends.

If that's the case, screw them, let QF actually DO something with the name.

"Mom, can I sue a major airline becuase I made this neato paint scheme in Flight Simulator with the smae name? Please?"

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:47 pm

Anyone claiming that livery is a rip-off needs to get his vision and eyes checked
 
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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:01 pm

Looking at the liveries, I find it hard to see a copyright infringement. After comparing the logos and the websites, I find it even harder to find anything backing up the VA's complaints.

Compare the ...
... names (Jetstar International Airlines - Jetstar Airways)
... colors
... logos
... URL's
... and more

It's also funny, that a US based VA (look at th ubs) offers cheap Australian domestic tickets thru Expedia.com.

Sounds to me like a 15 year old brat who sees "muchos dolares", or perhaps he is up for a bit popularity to get more trafic to his website.

But then again, I'm no lawyer ....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:06 pm

Agree with you there Gerardo. Seems to be just another one of those american glory hunters who see lawsuits as a easy way to earn fast and lots of money.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:06 pm

OK, Zweed summed up quite correctly, what I tried to say in a dozen or so lines.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:07 pm

Gerardo, I believe they put the "cheap lc fares throughout Australia" banner on their website because they were fed up of people coming on their website and using their bandwitch, thinking they're at the jetsar airways website.
 
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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:16 pm

I somehow doubt, that they got flooded so heavily with requests for cheap Jetstar flights. Would you type "www.jetstarairlines.com" in your WWW-browser to llok for Jetstar? Did the Jetstar marketing team really forget to communicate their - BTW, much easier - URL? When have you first heared of this VA?

Nope, I'm still for the "brat smelling cheap $$$"-version...  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:16 pm

Hehe, yeah I'm sure the VA does want to get some €€€, but then again they DID register the trade mark first, so they do have a right to defend themselves.

The livery is totally different IMO. And that star is different. Of course if you call your airline "JetStar", you have no choice but put a star somewhere on the fuselage.

Not sure if that really was a poor job on Qantas' behalf. Their Jetstar will operate domestic Australian routes, so it shouldn't be a problem for a virtual airline from the U.S.
 
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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:54 pm

Gerardo I made the observation that Jetstar International Airlines where getting flooded with employment companies, rent-a-car companies and consumers. These people thought that it was a website for Jetstar Airways, the new Australian low-cost-carrier. AOMlover cleared that up well.

Personally, I'm on Jetstars side. If you Euro's and American's realized how little competition we have here, you would shriek. We only have 1 national low-cost-carrier, DJ and 'soon to be (?)' JQ. (A.net still haven't entered Jetstar into the database..Wth is Jamaica Express?). So, every airline here is valued.

I think Virtual Airlines are a good idea, and not all of them are run by 15 year olds.

Oh and just for fun - put your mouse over here; JQ

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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:19 pm

How does U.S. Trademark laws affect Australia???? Since Jestar is wholly owned in Australia, I don't think U.S. trademark laws apply. It's just like saying Air Asia has to meet U.S. FAA regulations when they don't even fly to the U.S.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:20 pm

Qantas will prevail.

But who is ripping off whom? Perhaps Continental Airlines would like to have talk with this vitural airline nerd about the star on his airplanes. It's straight off the Texas International logo which is now part of Continental.


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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:26 pm

The virtual airline has no case here, unless they trademark is registered in the same classes as QF's JetStar, which I doubt, as registration in each class costs a signficant (for a virtual airline) amount of money.

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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:34 pm

If Jetstar (US) really does have a case, how dumb are QF for not looking into copyright issues in the first place???
 
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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:56 pm

Starflyer, you can see from the trademark registrations, that both trademarks are registered in the air transportation category. It's iffy -- I think it would all come down to when the trademark was first registered, and by whom.
 
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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:34 am

During the Internet boom, there were many people whom created and registered website names that included the names of major corporations to get rich by getting paid off to relenquish the registration of the name. Others would add anti- or other prefixes/suffuxes to names to look for a buyout. For example, someone might register AntiUnitedAirlines .com or register a company name with different country or other dot codes, like .uk or .tv. The same thing happens with trademarks too.
I suspect this is what happened here, where someone took an idea/trademark/logs they thought would be used someday, registered it, and hope when someone wanted to use the name, would come to them and pay them off - hopefully with big bucks.
There are better protections now to prevent people who register active internet address names, giving priority to companies already active. Many companies maintain extensive registerations of their business names/trademarks or variations of them (including the company/trade name with boycott-, anti-, -sucks) to cover any possible abuses or misuse, even if the possible use isn't directly involved with their business. US Copyright and Trademark law also allows people who want to register a name or use of a name to have it subject to publication to allow for public comment or for a company with a like or similar name to object to the granting of the name. I have assisted in the filing of objections to companies using similar names of a client for a product.
 
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RE: QF To Be Sued By A...

Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:36 am

Ummm...what's a virtual airline? It sounds fake, like something a 15 year old would make up because he has no friends.

You nailed it Bigphilnyc.