BritPilot777
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Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:27 am

Last night I boarded UA 928 T7 from ORD to LHR and like many aviation enthusiasts, was taking pictures using my Digital Camera.

I was however rudely told by a F/A that if I did not turn it off she would have it taken away from me.

Now I have been on many flights, and have never had a problem with taking pictures using my camera.

Now, Firstly, was she telling me this for the safety of the other 250 passengers onboard?
Secondly, was she petrified to think a passenger of Indian ethnicity was taking pictures of aircrafts?
Thirdly and lastly, is this an FAA regulation or is it down to the Airline to decide?

Even though I am asking the second question. I am not being racist or anything of the sort. It is something myself and other people of different ethnicities now have to deal with after 9/11.

Let me know on your thoughts and if you've had any previous such experiences!!
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InnocuousFox
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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:34 am

There is a massive thread on this from about 2 or 3 weeks ago. Let's not start another one.
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BritPilot777
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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:35 am

Thats all you had to say, If i'd known about the thread do you think I would have posted this?
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FoxBravo
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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:38 am

Relax--she was telling you this because digital cameras are electronic devices and, as you've heard in the safety announcement, the use of electronic devices is generally prohibited during takeoff and landing. Yes, the amount of interference caused by a digital camera is likely to be very small, but there is another safety concern: a camera could become a lethal projectile in the event that the aircraft came to a very sudden stop, which is much more likely during takeoff and landing. This is the same reason all carry-on items must be stowed securely at those times.

It's also true that F/As often don't bother saying anything, but many airlines have this policy and I have seen it enforced from time to time. I assure you it has nothing to do with ethnicity or 9/11--I am white and have been asked to refrain from using my digital camera during takeoff and landing.

Whether the F/A was rude about it or not is another issue entirely. I'm just speculating, but F/As (and everyone else, for that matter) do have a way of getting testy when passengers ignore them the first time around...
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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:31 am

What were you taking pictures of?

American, for example, has right in their inflight magazine and also is a policy in crewmember manuals that photography of personnel, equipment or other passengers is prohibited.
 
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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:21 am

I asked an AS pilot last time I flew (SEA-PHX 03/04) and he said that digi-cams most likely would not cause enough interference to be trouble. The reason they have everything turned off, is there is so much new stuff coming out so quickly, everything couldn't possibly be tested to see if it would cause a problem. So rather than say this is OK, but that isn't, they just have you turn everything off.

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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:25 am

U.S. F.A.R.'s state that all electronic devices must be turned off for departure. The Flight Attendant was just doing her job as prescribed by the U.S. government.

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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:26 am

There was a thread on here not so long ago in which someone said that sudden EM pulse from a camera flash would be more harmful to the systems than the low, constant emissions from, for example, a laptop computer. So, in that case, is it safe for any camera to be used with the flash turned on, regardless of whether it is digital? Anyone any ideas?
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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:35 am

Typical? That they are doing their jobs? Give me a break !!!!

Get over it !  Smile

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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:05 am

Flown lately and observed the variety of electronic devices in use? It's like the love child of Radio Shack and Best Buy on every flight. All airlines have a list of approved and prohibited devices in their company magazine. Taxi, Take-off, and landing are especially dangerous since statistics prove most accidents occur during those times and they want passenger space not only clear of all belonging but not districted or preoccupied with gadgets and gizmos so they can hear safety commands and evacuation directions.
 
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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:11 am

I took a small digi-camera with me to KSAT about a year ago. I was using it just before the boarding door was shut and I noticed that the FA was watching me. She didn't say anything but as soon as I saw the door being closed. I turned it off and put it away in my bag. The FA was thrilled that I actually didn't have to be told to turn it off and when she walked by she said.."Thank You, very few people will be so kind."

After we passed 10,000ft, I got it back out and started getting scenery footage of our flight enroute to San Antonio. The same FA walked by and commented that the weather was going to be good all the way to get as much as I wanted.

I don't make a fuss, I just turn things off before departure and before descent. I can understand their concern with so many electronic devices out there anymore.

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ChiGB1973
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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:12 am

It can be done without being rude, but after the announcements and safety video that says this a minimum of 3 times it does get a bit frustrating.

It is an FAR. That could be the FAA man testing you out.

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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:00 am

People sometimes forget one thing when dealing with airlines..It really does not matter what the FARS are(well it does legally) but airlines can make rules over and above them. If an airline does not want pictures taken on an aircraft that is their right to make that rule. If you do not like it you are left with two choices....Fly someone else or sue them....But the biggie is they do not need a reason to make a rule. It does not have to be for safety reasons or EM interference it can just be their rule.

Oh yeah this is my first post and i guess everyone says this so i may as well do it also.
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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:33 am

American, for example, has right in their inflight magazine and also is a policy in crewmember manuals that photography of personnel, equipment or other passengers is prohibited.

On a few AA flights, I said that I would like to take pictures for my own personal collection (nothing would go on-line) I would neither take pictures of people nor walk down the aisles with my camera and I was able to take some pictues.

Also, on some flights, during the beverage service, most of the FAs are out and about, so if you can take a few snappy pictures, it works out.

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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:12 am

On EVA Air flights, they announce that all electronic devices, including digital cameras, must be turned off during take-off and landing.
 
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RE: Digital Cameras Off On T/O?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:38 am

This might be of interest. It's from an aviation safety report filed by a crew member to the NASA incident database regarding a 737 flight from Raleigh-Durham to Philadelphia.

Apologies for the upper-case text.


WHILE BOARDING PAX ON FLT XXX RDU-PHL, A FLT ATTENDANT SAID A PAX WAS REQUESTING TO TAKE PICTURES OF THE ACFT WING WITH HIS DIGITAL CAMERA DURING TKOF AND LNDG.

I GAVE THE FLT ATTENDANT MY BUSINESS CARD TO GIVE TO THE PAX AND TOLD HER TO TELL THE PAX IT WAS OK TO TAKE PICTURES. I ALSO TOLD HER TO TELL THE PAX TO SEND ME SOME COPIES IF HE GOT A CHANCE.

WELL, TODAY HE SENT ME THE PICTURES VIA E-MAIL OF WHICH HE HAD POSTED ON A WEB SITE. HE HAD A DISCLAIMER ON THE WEB SITE THAT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ILLEGAL TO USE A DIGITAL CAMERA DURING TKOF AND LNDG THAT HE HAD RECEIVED SPECIAL DISPENSATION FROM AN [AIRCRAFT] CAPT TO USE HIS DIGITAL CAMERA.

THIS PAX CLAIMS THAT A DIGITAL CAMERA IS IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS A CELL PHONE AND LAPTOP COMPUTER.

IF THIS PAX IS CORRECT AND I WOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS, I WOULD HAVE NEVER ALLOWED HIM TO USE THE DIGITAL CAMERA.

I CALLED THE UNION SAFETY AND ENGINEERING DEPT AND TOLD THEM WHAT HAD HAPPENED. THEY SAID THIS WAS A GRAY AREA AND RECOMMENDED THAT I FILE A NASA REPORT.