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6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:49 am

I heard some rumors today that a couple of weeks ago there was a near miss at MEX between an AM 73G and an Aviacsa jet (don't know what type, though).

Apparently, the AM jet was on its take-off run when the Aviacsa jet (which was being towed to the terminal) crossed the runway, and the AM jet almost hit it. They say it was real close.

Any of you MEX spotters know anything? Fly727?

[Edited 2004-04-25 01:51:05]

[Edited 2004-04-25 01:51:34]
 
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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:26 am

Any of you MEX spotters know anything?

Nope, did not hear anything!

BTW. Now that you opened an 6A thread just to let you know it is confirmed the arrival of 16 planes into the fleet this year.... so far I´ve been adviced that 10 will be B737-300., but I´m sure the rest will also be -300s. 10 are leaving the fleet. (6 B727 and 4 B737-200s - confirmed.. SIX and SIW, rumoured NAK and NAF). Also there are rumours about getting 2 757s at the end of this year to replace the 727s that fly long and high demand routes such as MEx-GDL-TIJ, MEx-LAS and MEx-MTY-/LAX &ORD. A B737-200 just can´t fly full out of MEx and a -300 would be very restricted!


So, Aviacsa's fleet will look like this in a few more months:

17 B737-200s
16 B737-300s
02 B757-200s

Total: 35 aircraft! Not bad!

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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:42 am

YES, it was a couple of weeks ago.
Mr. Morales might not remembered but an AM MD-80 went to the air (rwy 23L) because of a 727 crossed the runway on the other end (05) without communicating to the tower. The AM traffic was not taking off, he was landing.

absolutely nothing happened and there were not even close. The AM MD80 started climbing again by the beginning of the runway and the 727 was on the other side.... I guess somebody a bit exaggerated invented the story....

BTW Today I saw an amazing takeoff by an AM MD87, was told XA-TXC I was still in my car while he did it.

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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:43 am

BTW I was told 6A pilots are all ready on training for the 737-300's (supposed to be 10)

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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:49 am

'Old Pa' Rucolf Guerra - I did remember very well that AM missed approach and the 727 crossing at the end of rwy 23L. But Mr. JoseMEX mention a B737NG NOT AN AM MD80!

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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:03 am

I personally was in a near miss with an aviacsa B737 last month. We were first instructed to fly direct to SMO and descend to 13,000. As we were heading towards our point we saw a traffic in our TCAS heading toward us. ATC Instructed us to hold our present altitude, which was 14,800 at the time. As we continued, the traffic was also leveled at 14,800 and still flying toward us! As I was PF, I got prepared for an evasive maneuver. Only seconds after that we got a Resolution Advisory and I followed it climbing up to 17,000 feet in a couple of seconds...
As we found out later on, Aviacsa (which was being controlled in MEX approach) was involved in some sort of discussion with the controller and did not descend to his authorized altitude. We were being controlled by MEX terminal, and our controller hold our altitude waiting for the Aviacsa to descend, which he obviously didn't do...
Anyway, the point is that we did our report and handed it to the Chief Pilot, but other than us no one really knew of the near collision. Rarely do these cases go out in public...
 
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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:12 am

"Rucolfo de Morales"
Maybe you are right....
Well JoseMEX can clear this for us... What day did they told you that happened?

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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:12 am

Pezetaroi,

Thank you very much for sharing your expirience! Just one Q. What is PF? Thx in adv.

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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:22 am

PF means he was the pilot flying at the time.
 
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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:26 am

TexAussie,

Thx for your reply! I thought the PF was called PIC.. (Pilot In Command)...

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PS. Rucolfo De la Vega Guerra..... yeap! Let's wait for JoseMEX to tell us what day he's referring to!

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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:40 am



Well, so apparently there have been quite a few incidents regarding 6A planes!

The guy who told me that was my teacher at an aviation course I'm taking. He said he had been told by someone who works for 6A (not a pilot, though; more a dispatcher or something like that). Apparently it was 2 or 3 weeks ago, and he said it had been an AM 73G. Maybe the actual incident was the one with the AM MD-80 that MX-330 is referring to? Or maybe there was indeed a different incident; don't know.

OTOH, that incident Pzetaroi is referring to is kind of worrying (and, yes, Pezetaroi, unlike in the US, it's very rare to see any of these incidents reported in the mexican media).

Finally, it's good to hear that 6A is getting some 733's. I flew one of their 732's ACA-MX), Mexico">MEX last tuesday, and those planes look quite worn on the inside (I've heard they have good maintenance, though).

I was sitting in the very last row, and it sounded like we were taking off in a rocket.
 
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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:45 am

Ricardo:

It depends on the Aircraft Operating Manual (AOM) (PF=PIC) and I believe it's now being changed (worldwide) to Pilot Flying and Pilot Monitoring (instead of PNF)...



 
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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:14 pm

Just to add what Pezetaroi mentioned; the "Pilot flying (PF)" may or may not be the "Pilot in Command (PIC)".

The responsibility to begin, conduct and finish a flight relies in the PIC; depending on the workload management and flying technique of every airline and aircraft the PIC may be the one handling the actual flight, while the other, (in this case the one designated as First Officer) performs communication and monitoring duties (hence the term "Pilot monitoring" as opposed to "Pilot non-flying" of the older days) and viceversa.

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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:27 pm

FLY727: you're right about the PIC, I didn't explain myself correctly... Summarizing: there is one PIC (the captain), and depending on the flight duties pilots are called PF and PNF (and now PM)...
 
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RE: 6A And Am Near-miss At MEX?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:49 pm

Fly727 and Pezetaroi - Thank you very much for the explanations you both give! Very informative! 727  Big thumbs up

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