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Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:37 pm

Hey,
I was just wondering, are there any A340 aircraft operated by a US airline?
I know that the A330 is operated by US Airways and Northwest, but i cant recall knowing anybody operating the A340....

Are there any A340's operated by US carriers?
If not, why?

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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:40 pm

No US-airline fly the A340.
CO and NW had ordered them but cancelled the orders.

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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:46 pm

also US airways ordered them but converted the orders to A330's

NW will be looking to aquire either 777's or A340NG sized planes in a few years so they may be a candidate

AC off course fly A340's
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:57 pm

Someone mentioned in a discussion forum yesterday that US Airways could acquire 340s for ops to NRT and other Asian destinations, but I guess this is all dependent on whether they can get out of this financial difficulty.
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:46 pm

I think the A340-500 would be a great aircraft for many US airlines to have in order to extend their reach into Asia, the Middle East and Africa. All of this, of course, is very much a pipe dream at this point in time, but it is very much a possibility, given the high number of immigrants from those parts of the world who now live in the US.
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:55 pm

Whats the reason they changed from the A340 to the A330? I hope NW do order the A345/346 as they are both great aircraft that would make a great addition to their fleet.
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:05 pm

Actually, memory served me incorrectly

US airways had the option to change A330 orders to A340's but they didnt

They have no real need for the range of the A340 and as the A333 offers better economics on Medium ranged routes it is sensible to choose the A330.

Here is a good article about it

http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/Fleets/USA333.html
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:36 am

I think the A340-500 would be a great aircraft for many US airlines to have in order to extend their reach into Asia, the Middle East and Africa

The 772ER, with a 7730nm range, can fly nearly all these routes. Here are range charts from JFK, LAX, DFW-



Routes highlighted- JFK-NRT, JFK-HKG, JFK-DBX, JFK-CAI



Routes highlighted- DFW-NRT, DFW-LHR



Routes highlighted- LAX-SYD, LAX-NRT, LAX-LHR, LAX-RIO

As you can see, the 772ER is a very capable aircraft, with the 772LR only a few years away from service (and offering an additional 2000nm of range) I seriousy doubt any A340 (much less an A345) will be opperated by a U.S airline.
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:52 am

Someone mentioned in a discussion forum yesterday that US Airways could acquire 340s for ops to NRT and other Asian destinations

US did once consider the A342 for PHL-NRT, but to do so now would be rather fruitless considering that airline's relatively newfound relationship with UA.
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:39 am

AC getting A345 this summer for Aug 1st premier flight Toronto-HongKong, but is it 2 of them?
Anyone knows how many?

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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:42 am

It's only two.
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:44 am

"It´s only two"!!!
How many T7LR are US getting??? Zero?

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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:48 am

Why would US (an airline whose only intercontinental operations involve western Europe) need a C-market aircraft?  Insane
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:51 am

How many T7LR are US getting??? Zero?

How many A340-500's are U.S. carriers getting? Zero?  Insane




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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:53 am

How many T73 is in the USfleet??
Zero!  Big grin  Big grin  Big grin

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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:56 am

U sure know how to support Boeing  Big grin
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:03 am

How many T73 is in the USfleet??

How many A340's in the U.S. fleet? Zero.

How many 777's in the U.S. fleet? Over 120.

U sure know how to support Boeing

I'm not trying to support Boeing. I like both manufacturers. Just trying to put down your one-sided comments.



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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:27 am

I think its amazing US carriers have not picked up on the 340...a big supporter myself of Boeing, I still recognise that Airbus has a good product. I'm pretty surprised UAL never went the route of long haul Airbus, since their small market/medium haul routes are A320s...

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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:32 am

I believe the original question was if any US airlines fly the A340, not if the 777 flies the same routes.

No. Done. End of thread.

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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:38 am

I think its amazing US carriers have not picked up on the 340...a big supporter myself of Boeing

Three of them came very close... but a combination of unfortunate circumstance, for both the A340 & particular airlines, as well as advances by Boeing/McDD [fortunately] prohibited that from ever occuring.
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:43 am

I'm pretty surprised UAL never went the route of long haul Airbus, since their small market/medium haul routes are A320s..

UAL's longhaul market is a Boeing stronghold- 757, 767, 777, 747. Airbus need not apply.  Wink/being sarcastic I think the more astute memebers of Anet would agree when I say the peformance of the 777 outweights the benefit of cockpit commonality between the A320/A340. Not to mention, pilots would be on a completly different pay scale.

How many T73 is in the USfleet??

Sobloano, I've been wondering... what is the fastest selling widebody aircraft of all time? Maybe you can drop your blind, narrow view of aviation and get back to me on that one.

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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:53 am

UAL's longhaul market is a Boeing stronghold- 757, 767, 777, 747. Airbus need not apply...

...and if UA were building its fleet today, I'd bet there's a good chance they'd opt for all-Airbus for the domestic market (A319/A320/A321/A332/A333) and a mixture of Airbus and Boeing for the long-haul (A330/B777/B744). So Airbus should apply & look for the acception...

UA has expressed more satisfaction with its Airbus fleet than NW, US and HP...
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:05 am

It will take some time and then we'll also see the A340 in the fleet of a major US carrier. There are some potential carriers
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:07 am

UA has expressed more satisfaction with its Airbus fleet than NW, US and HP...

That, and UA was for a long time the world's largest Airbus operator (per aircraft)
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:46 am

UA has expressed more satisfaction with its Airbus fleet than NW, US and HP...

I'm not at all saying UA dislikes its Airbus fleet. What I am saying is that, since the dawn of the jetage, purchased Boeing longhaul equipment. The DC10s are the only non-Boeing longhaul aircraft I can recall. At this time, UA is in no need of longhaul equipment, and when the day comes for a 762/763 replacement.. I'm not holding my breath for the A330.
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:49 am

It will take some time and then we'll also see the A340 in the fleet of a major US carrier. There are some potential carriers

The only USA carrier with the slightlest chance of ordering the A340 is NW... and they've proven to not exactly be enamored by that particular model
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:53 am

Potential Airbus A340 customers in the US? No no no. Do not think about it because then some of the Bush gang calls from The White House to set it right...
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:27 am

i wouldnt write off NW getting the A340 in the future. They said they would look at the 773 and the A340NG at a later date, and you would have to favour Airbus for this one. I'd wouldn't be suprised if NW got an A340 at all.
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:53 am

Dfwrevolution- I believe UA used the DC-8 for some international stuff as well.

I have a herpa wings CO A340 in the newer colors, i bought the plane at a hobby shop about 7-8 years ago. What was the deal with CO and the A340 and why did they not go with Airbus? They wanted an all Boeing fleet? Better deal on the 777? I know CO use to operate the A300 as well. What was the killer to that plane with CO? Dont want to hijack the thread but CO, US (years ago) and NW seem to be the only US carrer that looked into the A340.
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:05 am

What I am saying is that, since the dawn of the jetage, purchased Boeing longhaul equipment... I'm not holding my breath for the A330.

UA's past fleet decisions mean absolutely nothing. I guarantee you the A330 will receive consideration from UA in the near future... UA's engine preference is PW (not available on the B7E7) and ownership costs/commonality with the A320 family could make the A332 a more attractive option than the B7E7 -- especially if Airbus updates the A332...
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:53 pm

I've always wondered when a cargo version will appear ??? I would think it would be a great long range freighter .....
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:31 pm

Dc10guy, it has been discussed in another thread. The A330 would probably be a better option for various reasons but in any case since Airbus is still offering the A300/310 as a freighter maybe they don't want to cannibalize the market. Also, you can get a cheap three holer for a fraction of the price at the moment. Give it a couple of years?
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:04 pm

"The only USA carrier with the slightlest chance of ordering the A340 is NW... and they've proven to not exactly be enamored by that particular model"....................maybe US Airways, also I don't see a reason why UA shouldn'(in the far future) buy some A346
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:57 pm

I doubt very much that a U.S. bankruptcy judge would permit UA to buy any new Airbuses. Maybe if or when they re-emerge from Bankruptcy.
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:22 am

What was the deal with CO and the A340 and why did they not go with Airbus? They wanted an all Boeing fleet? Better deal on the 777?

Bethune (ex Boeing employee) came in and got rid of all Airbuses and their outstanding orders.



I know CO use to operate the A300 as well. What was the killer to that plane with CO?

A combination of too subpar performance for CO's int'l routes, too large capacity for CO's domestic routes, and sky-high lease rates meant that CO couldnt make money with these aircraft no matter how they operated them. So they were given the 86.



but CO, US (years ago) and NW seem to be the only US carrer that looked into the A340.

US once looked quite closely at the A342 for PHL-NRT



maybe US Airways

US doesn't have any route in their network nor in their planning that couldnt be accomplished with what they already operate



also I don't see a reason why UA shouldn'(in the far future) buy some A346

For retaining continual membership here as long as you have, you cannot possibly be as profoundly ignorant as this statement suggests... anywho, something about already having the world's largest fleet of 777s maybe?  Insane
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:00 am

Thanks for help Concordeboy.....we can always count on you.
 
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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:09 am

Concordeboy: I agree with you with your comments about UA buying A340's...why the heck would you think United would buy them? ...The 777 fills UA's every need that the 340 would compete for. PLUS, United HAS NO MONEY! What part of that are we not understanding? UA isn't buying anything anytime soon!

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RE: Any A340 In US Carrier Fleets?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:25 am

UA's engine preference is PW (not available on the B7E7) and ownership costs/commonality with the A320 family could make the A332 a more attractive option than the B7E7 -- especially if Airbus updates the A332...

Given the cash strapped nature of UA, it will take many years for them to completly recover, the 7E7 is in a great position with an aquisition cost 30mil below an A330. Besides... in terms of pilot payscales and commonality, which is more attractive- A320/A330 or 7E7/777/Possible 747Adv? Cheaper aquistion, cheaper opperation, better performance..

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