Cory6188
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Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:33 am

I was wondering about this when I flew out of EWR a few weeks ago. As my topic stated, is there any space for new airlines at EWR? First, their 3 runways are maxxed to capacity; I haven't flown out of EWR without a wait to takeoff in years. Second, it doesn't seem like there is any extra terminal space. Terminal A has AA, UA, and all the other US domestic carriers except for CO and DL. Some of the smaller carriers even have to share gates at A. AA has a whole concourse to themselves, IIRC. Terminal B has all of the international carriers, all charter flights, and DL. Terminal C is CO's hub terminal, and even though there may be some extra unused gates there, everything is customized for them, and there is no way that they would ever allow anyone to share the terminal with them. The PANYNJ and CO are strongly bonded anyway, so I don't think that the Port Authority would allow that to happen.

It doesn't seem as if there is any space available at all. Is this truly the case?

And on an entirely separate note, if CO were to dissolve, how quickly would another airline fill Terminal C? I would think that any of the majors would give anything to have an NYC-area hub. Talk about a high amount of O&D traffic!
 
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:34 am

Well, from the position of gate space, there could definately be some available spaces if USAirways dumped a gate or two-- they have no need for the 3 or 4 gates they have for they could do just fine off of 2.

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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:38 am

I agree with you - they hardly require 3 or 4 gates for the low number of flights they have to EWR each day.
 
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:38 am

Also, what about the gates CO dumped in B when they moved all their Int'l flights over to C as well as moving LGW back over to C. Are the gates in concourses B2 and B3 reserved just for international flights? Those are common use aren't they?
 
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:44 am

There are plenty of gates. Some of the airlines that been in EWR for years own their own satellites. UA owns gates 10-18. Do they need all 8 gates for their flight schedule? Satellite A-2 has CO gates. They operate DFW, ORD and ATL out of those gates. They could easily move those to terminal C. A-3 use to be TWA's satellite. AA spreads their operation out among the 9 gates there. The other airlines sub-lease their gates from these airlines. B-1 holds DL, NW, YX and FL.

So terminal A has some room for new airlines. They will have to sub-lease gates though.
 
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:48 am

Ramprat74
When did FL move from Terminal A? I thought they used A-1 with UA. Does anyone have the concourse info for each airline at EWR.
I haven't flown out of anything but C in a long time but this is what I thought the break down was. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Term A
A-1
UA
HP
TZ

A-2
FL
AC
US
CO
AS

A-3
AA
South East

Term B
B-1
DL
NW
YX
B-2 & B-3
Int'l Carriers and International Arrivals

Terminal C
CO

[Edited 2004-04-26 02:03:22]
 
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:18 am

Thats correct except I think B1 also houses KLM.

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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:22 am

JBLUA320
Your right. I forgot that KL uses B-1.
 
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:26 am

FL is in Terminal A with UA. They actually use one of their gates for 2 rotations (as they have 2 flights in from ATL a day). If you want the best information just head to EWRs website.

http://www.panynj.gov/aviation/ewrframe.HTM

it may take some searching to find what you're looking for but I know its there because I have seen it before.

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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:55 am

I think FL use to be in B-1. I didn't know they moved.
 
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:09 pm

Dammit KL uses B1. Ive never departed out of the International Arrivals/Departures building but out of B1 when i take NW/KL to India from EWR. When i arrived in B2, it looked nice!
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:30 pm

The Terminal B IAB gates can be used for "some" domestic flights, Airtran briefly operated from B-2 concourse.

AA is not utilizing their gates to the fullest, UAL is definetly not using their gates to the fullest.

Newark traffic looks robust but it's still WAY below pre 9-11 levels, so there's a way to go just to get traffic at EWR back to where it was prior to 9-11. At it's peak 3-4 years ago EWR handled 34+ Million passengers, I think they were at 29 Million in '03.

With regards to Terminal A, the Port Authority has a plan to remodel the Terminal and replace the concourses with larger modern designs. They are however waiting for traffic to pick up again, the Port Authority chairman makes brief reference to the planned improvements to Terminal A in today's Star Ledger Interview.

However as stated they are waiting for traffic to rebound so it's not going foward right now, maybe within the next couple years.

The Port Authority's goal at EWR is to be able to handle the anticipated 45 Million Passengers per year at EWR by 2010, that 45 Million number is revised from pre-9-11 estimates which had EWR reaching 45 million much sooner.

As an example Gatwick airport in London handles approximetly 45 Million travelers per year, with a much poorer runway situation.

So there's plenty of room to grow at EWR, atleast for the next decade. And while there may not be an abundance of space for Domestic carriers there's plenty of space at Terminal B's IAB for more International Carriers.
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:54 pm

If AM really starts flying to EWR as a result of the new codeshare with CO and of CO's imminent entry to SkyTeam (I personally doubt that AM would serve both JFK and EWR or move to EWR altogether), would it be located in CO's terminal?
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:03 pm

When did MX discontinue EWR?
 
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:12 pm

MX has not discontinued MEx-EWR yet but supposedly it will soon. I am not sure if they are doing 2, 3 or 4 weekly flights currently. The idea is for MX to move to JFK in order to have adequate connections with AA. In any case, MX service to NYC will remain limited since CINTRA, the holding company that owns both MX and AM, is sort of reserving NYC for AM... MX flying a couple of times per week to NYC serves the purpose of keeping 6A and ZE away from the route.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:13 pm

In the past CO partners have operated out of CO's Terminal C, SAS, Air Canada, Alitalia, Air France etc..

It would not suprise me if when CO joins sky team some of the members move into Terminal C, atleast for departures. CO might want to keep their FIS facilities a purely CO operation, besides as mentioned there's plenty of room at Terminal B's IAB.
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RE: Space For New Airlines At EWR?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:21 pm

Thanks EddieDude
I just realize that I was looking in the Star Alliance E-Timetable. Completely forgot that MX was no longer. Now it makes sense why the EWR-MX), Mexico">MEX flights are not in there.

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