anstar
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QF Gets Govt Approval For More LHR Flights

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:15 pm

http://www.iasc.gov.au/iasccurr.htm

QF has received 4 of the 7 free LHR-AUS flights that were available under the current agreement.

The remaining 3 flights are still being contested between QF & Backpackers Express.

The 4 extra flights should be in place by November.
 
aussie747
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RE: QF Gets Govt Approval For More LHR Flights

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:25 pm

Just a few questions with the above though:

(1) Is that the 4 flights that they are going to take up via HKG that they were just awarded in the recent HKG decision, or to go via PVG?

(2) So does that mean they still do not have approval to use all their LHR slots
up for flights from Australia? I didn't think the Backpacker Express decision had anything to do with flights PVG-LHR.

 
anstar
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RE: QF Gets Govt Approval For More LHR Flights

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:30 pm

These determinations only cover the UK - Australia agreement.

They dont make any reference to PVG or HKG.

QF still have 10 slots to use at LHR. (and only 3 more flights to are being contested with the govt)
 
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RE: QF Gets Govt Approval For More LHR Flights

Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:31 pm

QF will commence 4 x weekly services via Hong Kong to LHR in November 2004 moving to daily in March 2006.

PVG will be later if they can get permission to 35 weekly services.

Thankyou

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RE: QF Gets Govt Approval For More LHR Flights

Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:44 pm

So how come QF gets more slots but Air NZ does not for their proposed LHR-HKG service?
Does Backpackers Express really want to fly in/out of LHR? Wouldn't STN be a better fit?
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TexAussie
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RE: QF Gets Govt Approval For More LHR Flights

Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:53 pm

What about Virgin Atlantic? I thought they were going to Service LHR-HKG-SYD? Flight Centre Australia has already published SYD-LHR fares on Virgin.
 
anstar
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RE: QF Gets Govt Approval For More LHR Flights

Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:11 pm

StarFlyer, The determinations are for UK - Australia not LHR. QF already had the LHR slots. Backpackers are aiming to fly to MAN.

I'm sure the AUS/UK govts will increase the amount of flights allowed in the coming future.

It is alos worht noting the restirctions are on AUSTRALIAN carriers not british, so Virgin are allowed to fly here pending the EU approval.
 
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RE: QF Gets Govt Approval For More LHR Flights

Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:18 pm

I've been hearing a strong rumour that Qantas are to start twice-daily "QF" feeder services from MAN to LHR using a Flightine BAe 146, which would operate directly into Terminal 4. Anyone else heard this one??

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QF Gets Govt Approval For More LHR Flights

Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:28 pm

UK Dispatcher-

I live in Oz and have instant alerts from Australian (Subscription) Magazine which offer internet news. I have never heard any such rumours and it would be illogical when QF codeshares (or has, haven't checked) with BA and they are operated by a reuptable airline operating new airbus'. British Airways operates its SIN-LHR flights in close proximity to Qantas, and BA's feeders would easily be QF's feeders Big grin

Not that I am saying you are wrong, but I am just saying this seems a silly rumour.

StarFlyer-

The reason Qantas is getting the slots is because they can afford to pay top dollar for them. They recently set a record price for the most expensive take off slots in the world. Air New Zealand are nearly in a stable financial state but still claim that they 'desperatly' need the QF-AirNZ trans tasman codeshare to survive.
 
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RE: QF Gets Govt Approval For More LHR Flights

Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:11 pm

QantasffCL -
It is to do with the slots gained for LHR. QF have to use them with their own services (which extends to ACMI contracts but NOT codeshare) or they lose them.

Impulse did the same thing when they launched the 717 operation. They had up to 16 B1900 flights a day SYD-CBR. The capacity was far from needed but it kept the SYD slots open for when they expanded with more 717s (and hence decreased the SYD-CBR B1900 flights).

When fighting for more slots at an airport the airline that wins the slots must maintain a certain proportion of them. Otherwise the larger carriers would be able to buy slots and not use them to prevent smaller airlines getting in.

So the rumour does have some credibility. People within the airline are talking about it. Just because it hasn't made an Internet News subscription doesn't mean it isn't in the works.

As was already mentioned the LHR slots are different to the UK-AUS air services won by QF.
 
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RE: QF Gets Govt Approval For More LHR Flights

Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:38 am

What could QF use those 10 remaining LHR slots for if it is not permitted to use them for services to Australia at the moment? Could it operate a service to JFK to recreate a round the world service, or does it not have the authority to do so anymore? If that was considered an additional service to Australia (i.e. if it linked to the SYD-LAX-JFK service), what about a SYD-SIN-LHR-JFK service to take on SQ (Which has a different routing through Europe).

Or what about an Auckland-LHR service to compete with NZ? With 12 AKL-LAX services it could be feasible, or not? Or could it route AKL-SIN-LHR?

Just throwing out ideas before anybody flames me - don't know what the route licensing issues would be. Just can't believe QF would want to leave those slots unused given the price it was rumoured to have paid FlyBe.
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