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KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:48 pm

Today a local Dutch radio station broadcasted the news that on the brink of the merger with AF the KLM management placed a firm order with Boeing for 25 B747-400 ER with a value of over $ 3.000.000.000.

After the ANA order this is the second large order for Boeing is a few days time.
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:51 pm

I just saw another article... OH MY GOODNESS....
ITS A BOEING BULL RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:53 pm

I cant find anything on KLM's website

hmm, whats that smell?.........

[Edited 2004-04-26 13:13:22]
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:55 pm

Strange !! Very surprising me that they still ordering planes. I was hoping that they will then order some airbusses.
Anyway, some ideas when the first one should be delivered. Will the new planes also be in Combi configuration.
I will fly Saturday from Seoul Incheon to Hamburg. Of course with KLM via Amsterdam. One month later again with KLM back to Korea again.

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:01 pm

Any further source? This would be an incredible order if it eventuates. Combi must surely figure here though I thought the B773ER would've stood to gain from the merger.

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:01 pm

This is great news! Will they be replacing the older 744s or just add to the existing fleet?

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:04 pm

Does anyone have a link to an article? Boeing's website isn't mentioning this yet, and a Google news search is fruitless...

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:11 pm

I could not find anything on this (not Teletekst, not KLM) Is there any confirmation on this order?
If it is true it would be a replacement for the existing 747's I doubt they will double their 747 fleet.

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:12 pm

Seems a little strange this one. Why would they require so many planes of that capacity, when they have just removed their 743, replacing with 772. Also, what do they need the extra range for? Find this very hard to believe.
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:13 pm

Great news for Boeing and KLM... It seems that KL has been very satisfied for the performance of their current B747-400ERFs if they will order such a big number for passenger use too. Like PANAM_DC10 said earlier, I believe too that those will be combi versions...

Any other sources and number of firm orders and options? I guess most of those 25 aircrafts must be options...

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:22 pm

I don't buy this (yet), above all the price they mentioned is 125 million bucks a piece. I don't think that's anywhere near the break even...

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:28 pm

Could it be someone made a mistake because KLM is ordering the 7e7 instead? 125 mil per copy is the list price for that aircraft.....
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:30 pm

Yeah, sure, KL is ordering 25 B747-400ER... especially when they are in the processof a merger.That would mean that the AF board would have needed to approve that one as well. So its your guess ifits true or not.

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:46 pm

This is highly unlikely, or maybe KLM could get a better deal than AF  Smile

However, there are no credible source concerning the "news" yet. It is probably just a joke.
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:55 pm

KLM says it's bollocks. That's official.
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:57 pm

yup u cant buy 25 B 744ERs for $ 3 billion...thats too low of a price tag for the B 744 series (ER-ERF-Combi).

If its 25 Boeing something for $ 3 billion then 100% its the Boeing 7E7...though I doubt this is at all true as the A 332 is chosen their B 763ER replacement so where would the B 7E7 fit in their fleet and route structure???
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:00 pm

Shute. Now I'm a little bummed.
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:55 pm

Dutchflyer, what radio-station was that? Do they have a website & phone number? Why don't you give them a call and check it out...or mail me the phone number Big grin

Finnwings, dont think in such a case it would be a combi, as the new policy by ordering the ERF's and the tripples & A332's was to split up the cargo from the pax transport a bit more.

Just on a sidenote..... is there any chance, due to taxes or such, that it would be cheaper for KLM to order a/c than for AF? It could in that case be cheaper for the new airline to order new a/c...
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:56 pm

So anymore news on this? Is this true or false?
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:06 pm

Yes can you please provide the source?
 
DutchFlyer
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:46 pm

The broadcast was on Business News Radio. I never heard the news item again and no other media has said anything about this deal. So I think it is not true after all. Wishful thinking of BNR or just one stupid reporter.

Sorry for posting without checking it first.

[Edited 2004-04-26 15:50:04]
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:59 pm

There is absolutely nothing on Boeings nor KLMs website about t is. Is it possible the media se iously mis-reported the 7E7 launch?
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:15 pm

Call them up and ask! I am sure they will be able to answer you.
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:18 pm

hmm well hasnt this been eventful. I think people should post more hoax order threads, it makes the morning more entertaining.
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:21 am

I would love to believe that KLM ordered 25 747-400ERs, but I'll wait to see something official by KLM and Boeing before celebrating. It would be awesome, but with KLM soon to merge into Air France I don't see it. Would be nice, though.

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:26 am

lol,

and there was me thinking April 1st was 4 weeks ago... Big grin
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:39 am

Come on guys, the only aircraft KLM needs right now are RJ's to replace the 747's , 777's and MD-11's that soon will operate out of CDG. Call me negative, but I firmly beleive that AMS will become a local feeder for CDG in the next few years..... Like STL lost AA..... I surely hope another Dutch airline will arise to continue the 'Dutch charm'......


Like I said, you can call me negative, but after a study of the legal and financial contracts I give up hoping, sorry..........

KL911

Edited due to using a French keyboard......  Laugh out loud

[Edited 2004-04-26 18:42:11]
 
kl911
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:56 am

Dutchflyer,

Did you want to break the 10.000 readers record with this post? It might work......  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:07 am

This is a bunch of horse manure.

Too many aircraft.

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:36 am

KL808,

Not to many aircraft since KL has 25+ B747, but it's highly unlikely since AF will dictate the orders, which will focus on the A340....

KL911
 
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:39 am

but it's highly unlikely since AF will dictate the orders, which will focus on the A340....

I fail to see why, since AF only recently got a newly-built 747 and don't forget the
large fleet of 777s it is building...

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:25 am

since AF will dictate the orders, which will focus on the A340....

Gee, the same AF that bought the 773ER and not the A346?
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:02 am

KLM 747-400ER passenger versions--a dream come true, yet a dream broken at the same time since KLM will be around for only three more years. Long live the ultimate Blue Airline!!!! I will miss you terribly when you are gone.
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:50 am

Blue airliners will survive longer, but not in the shape of KLM.
After the destruction of the blue swans by the dirty cockerells, there will still be BMi and Korean Air around in blue.

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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:18 am

Brons2
thanks for your reaction
the 777 is the core of AF fleet (even more so when the 773s arrive) but some sour p*ssies prefer to make propaganda that AF prefers airbuses

who mentioned the swan? the swan is a very nice bird but it also behave like a pr*ck....dat's why it's a loser in the long run  Acting devilish
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RE: KLM Order 25 B747-ER

Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:01 am

Varig md-11,

At least a swan knows how to clean himself...... And a swan is more attractive then the average Air France FA.

KL911

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