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Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:50 pm

I was wondering this over the weekend...when an airline is merged or bought by another airline obviously the bigger airline takes over the smaller one...and the name of the smaller one disappears. I am under the impression that the "taking over" airline has rights to the name of the merged one. Could someone come along and buy the rights to the non-existant airline and start an airline using the old name?
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:57 pm

Even though National (Sun King) was absorbed by Pan Am (the original). Another airline came along later and used the National name (N7). Sadly that airline shut down a little over a year ago.
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:00 pm

Your premise that the big one always eats the little one is somewhat flawed. For example Texas International was smaller than Continental when they purchased it and instead of making a BIG TEXAS INTERNATIONAL they decided that the Continental Brand had more cache and kept Continental. To the point of your second question, yes you can buy a name and even a logo if you want to start another carrier. The National Airlines name had been bought twice since Pan Am bought the original National Airlines. Separately the Sun King logo created for National at the end of the 1960's has also been bought twice and is currently in use. The first Purchase for was Key Air and now currently being used by Southeast airlines.
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Sun King Logo

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:10 pm

But the Sun King logo used by Southeast is not identical to National's Sun King logo. The colors are reversed. The sun god's face was part of the orange on National and it's part of the yellow on Southeast. Plus the sun's rays (the pointy things around the sun) are different from what I can tell in looking at two photos.

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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:18 pm

I was wondering this over the weekend...when an airline is merged or bought by another airline obviously the bigger airline takes over the smaller one...and the name of the smaller one disappears.

Actually, ValuJet's aquisition of then-charter carrier AirTran in 1996-97 produced a different result. The bigger carrier adopted the name of the smaller carrier; in this case AirTran. The obvious reason for doing this being the crash of ValuJet Flight 592 in the Everglades. The rest is history.
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:22 pm

Doesn't USAirways use the Piedmont name for some of its commuter flights? (operating under the usairways express name).
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:26 pm

Doesn't USAirways use the Piedmont name for some of its commuter flights? (operating under the usairways express name).

US Express also has PSA, Allegheny, and until recently, Midway as some of its commuter operations.
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:27 pm

Some mergers have resulted in combined or new names:

Delta + C&S = Delta C&S

North Central + Southern = Republic

Bonanza + Pacific + West Coast = Air West

BOAC + BEA = British

Nash-Kelvinator + Hudson = American Motors (wait, that's cars)
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:28 pm

In the 50's here in Lebanon MEA and Air Liban merged. MEA was bigger and so the bigger name took the livery and logos. As many of you know the MEA livery does not hold the airline's secondary name "Air Liban"
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:30 pm

7E7...Yes, and it also uses the PSA name as well.

Technically on paper, (and some might disagree) Republic Airlines was the larger carrier when it was bought out by Northwest Orient. Now, Republic AirWAYS is a USAirways Express carriers.

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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:32 pm

Gr8slvrflt,

Actually, it was:

Bonanza + Pacific + West Coast = AirWest

Airwest + Southern + North Central = Republic

AirWest was part of the mix when Republic became to life.
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:33 pm

True Southeast has reversed the Sunking Logo colors and sadly positioned it rather poorly on the DC-9 tail I might add. However it is my understanding it was still purchased /the logo/ and then the modifications were made. I could be wrong but thats my understanding. Further I have also noticed as stated above that indeed they have been very lazy in keeping the rays to the initial standard. This is particularly true in the printed material and signage they use at the airport. One sign I saw at FLL last year looked as if a child had drawn it. Such a shame to see the best logo ever created /my opinion/ being trashed and disrespected.
 
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:35 pm

I still think they should start a new airline with the Eastern name  Big thumbs up
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:41 pm

NWAFA:

AirWest was bought buy you-know-who and renamed Hughes AirWest. Republic was formed in July 1979 but did not take over Hughes AirWest until December 1980.

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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:47 pm

There was talk about 15 years ago of Continental and Aer Lingus merging. Rather than fighting over who kept what name, they decided to merge the two names together. Hence Contalingus. Shame it never happened. Couldn't wait to see what the logo was going to look like.
 
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:55 pm

The disastrous merger of Colombia´s three major airlines, AV, MM and VX was named Alianza Summa and only lasted for 15 months.

Even though the whole fleet of aircraft was painted in the dull white/grey with the color butterfly logo
and the Alianza Summa Member logo on both lower front sides of the fuselage, they all kept their AV, MM and VX letter head on the respective airlines aircraft.

After VX went out of bussiness last august and it was finally dissolved, they are going by their original names once more. The Alianza Summa Member
logo dissapeared from the aircraft.

Once more the airlines are:

AV Aerovias Nacionales de Colombia; Avianca S.A.
MM Sociedad Aeronautica de Medellin; SAM


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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:16 am

British United + Caledonian = British Caledonian, which was taken over by British Airways. British Airways' charter subsiduary British Airtours then became Caledonian, which was bought by the Inspirations group, merged with Flying Colours, renamed JMC and then renamed Thomas Cook!
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:59 am

Air France + UTA + Air Inter became... : AIR FRANCE !

Air France + KLM will become : ???


ToBEYwithMEA : MEA's planes continued to carry the name Middle Esat Airlines / Air Liban until recently :

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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:07 am

FLYSSC,

MEA's inflight magazine still shows Middle East Airlines/Air Liban. But as you said, no longer on the aircraft.

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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:22 am

Well, it may be just a hybrid, but for a while we were Continentals New York Air


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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:39 am

Air France was born on October 31st 1933, after the merging of Air Union, Air Orient, Compagnie Franco-Roumaine (Cidna) and SGTA (Lignes Farman).


Iranian Airways and Persian Air Services merged on November 2nd 1961 to form Iranian National Airlines Corporation, which became on Feb.24th 1962 : IRAN AIR.
 
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:46 am

Delta and United could have merged to form:

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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:52 am

Actually, ValuJet's aquisition of then-charter carrier AirTran in 1996-97 produced a different result. The bigger carrier adopted the name of the smaller carrier; in this case AirTran. The obvious reason for doing this being the crash of ValuJet Flight 592 in the Everglades. The rest is history.

Uh, AirTran was a scheduled operator, not a charter airline at the time of the merger.
 
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:11 pm

Pan Am + American = Pan American

Woops I though that would be new....
 
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:48 pm

Sweden's carriers: ABA and SLA - Svensk Intercontinental Lufttraffik , Norway's national carrir DNL - Det Norske Luftfartselskap and the Danish national carrier DDL - Danske Luftfartselskap AB to form a new airline SAS
 
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:55 pm

Don't forget Pacific Western buying out Canadian Pacific and retaining that until became Canadi>n Airlines Intl.

RW became part of RC October 1980, not Dec. Oct 26 was first timetable with all three former airlines' routes/schedules combined.

 
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:34 pm

Uh, AirTran was a scheduled operator, not a charter airline at the time of the merger.

Srbmod,

My bad, I was under the impression that the old AirTran was in a similar league as TMA, Champion Air(lines), and Southeast which have been branded as 'scheduled charters'; am I mistaken?

Nonetheless, the old AirTran was a smaller carrier than ValuJet at the time, but the name of the smaller company prevailed.
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:39 pm

Don't forget Pacific Western buying out Canadian Pacific and retaining that until became Canadi>n Airlines Intl.

Anyone can see they should have chosen Pacific Pacific Big grin

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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:10 pm

Could someone come along and buy the rights to the non-existant airline and start an airline using the old name?


In theory yes, but since some of those brand names are quite powerful, the owners would probably think twice before selling them on the cheap.

For example, HP owns the Compaq name but they will most probably not sell it, since it would give the buyer a big leg up in the market.
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:18 pm

Hughes Air West + Southern Airways + North Central = REPUBLIC

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RC was a great little airline
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:19 pm

before Republic was merged with Northwest, where did NW have its hubs?
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:34 pm

Mohawk and Allegheny merged and became US Air. However, in the minds of airline employees around the US, we called it.."Mahogany".
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:46 pm

Mohawk and Allegheny merged and became US Air.

Actually Mohawk merged with Allegheny around 1972. The name change from Allegheny to USAir didn't occur until late September of 1979.
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:37 am

In the cargo world, if UPS and FEDEX merged...are you ready?....

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RE: Merged Airline Names

Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:39 am

United + American = UNAMERICAN (sorry..had to do it  Big thumbs up )
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:49 am

Years ago, the former Western Air Lines and Continental were discussing merger. At the time, the joke was what the joined airlines would call themselves: taking the airline codes in use at the time (WA and CO), put them together and create the new name: WACO pronounced whacko.

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RE: Merged Airline Names

Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:52 am

SkyWest bought SunAire, which had more aircraft served more cities, and carried more passengers than SkyWest. The Metro fleets were combined to form SkyWest.
 
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:24 am

7e72004...

Prior to the merger, Northwest Orient hubbed in MSP and DTW domestically, and SEA and BOS for international.

The hubs in MSP and DTW where one of the keys factors why they picked RC to "merge with".
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:02 am

Or the infamous Delta - Continental rumors inspiring the joined name
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RE: Merged Airline Names

Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:43 am

IIRC, when Delta bought Chicago&Southern years ago, they carried "Delta C&S" titles for several years thereafter as a marketing move, then slowly went back to Delta-only titles.

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