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UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:09 am

United Airlines Offers Washington, DC Area Travelers Opportunity to Earn Credits for Free* Tickets
Tuesday April 27, 11:34 am ET
Passengers Can Earn and Redeem Credits for Free Travel to All International and Domestic Destinations Served by United, United Express or Ted for A Full Year
The Ultimate Award - A Free Trip Around the World

CHICAGO, April 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- United Airlines (OTC Bulletin Board: UALAQ - News) today launched a special 12-month promotion for United customers whose travel plans begin or end in the Washington, DC area. Qualifying participants in United's "Go Around the World" offer earn one credit for each qualifying flight segment flown; credits are redeemable for free* travel. The first free award, a Regional Domestic ticket (less than 800 miles each way), may be earned after accruing four credits -- just two qualifying roundtrips -- to or from Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD), Washington Reagan National Airport (DCA) or Baltimore-Washington International Airport (BWI). Customers can save up 24 credits for the ultimate award -- a free trip around the world.

"United has been part of the Washington community for more than 60 years, and this offer rewards our loyal customers in a way that only United, the Washington area's largest airline, can," said John Tague, executive vice president - Customer. "United offers advantages that others cannot match, such as a worldwide travel network with more flights to more destinations from the Washington area than any other airline, our award-winning Mileage Plus loyalty program, and great promotional opportunities like this one."

To earn free travel, customers must fly qualifying flight segments on United, United Express or Ted that originate or terminate at IAD, DCA or BWI. Qualifying tickets must exceed $100 per roundtrip. One roundtrip ticket is equivalent to two segments. Participants must be members of United's Mileage Plus program and must register for this offer online at www.united.com/goaroundtheworld or by telephone at 1-800-447-6772; code 310 to register. Qualifying travel must be ticketed and completed by April 30, 2005.

Number of Roundtrip
Tickets Required for
Redemption
Free Ticket in Travel Area Economy First/Business
Regional Domestic 2 4
Domestic 4 8
Hawaii/Caribbean 6 12
International 8 16
Around the World 12 24



Hmm, UA Mileage Plus miles to Paris or Hawaii or Indy Air iMiles (or whatever) to Binghampton?? Wonder which one the high-yield business pax are gonna pick?

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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:05 am

Sounds like Air Canada/Zip vs. Westjet.

Hmmmmmm.......

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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:47 am

My money is on Independence Air.
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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:52 am

It looks like United now has a plan to get all the passengers back that ACA has screwed over for the last few years. Good for them doing this, there name has been so scared in IAD I belief that this can only help.
 
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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:55 am

The worst that American could do to JetBlue with a similarly predatory FF promotion was to depress their first-quarter per-share earnings from 16 cents to 11.5 cents. If Independence Air does not succeed, it will almost certainly be because they won't be able to run CRJ's at LCC cost-structure. Of course DOJ should keep an eye on things anyway, but I'd bet UA won't be able to kill Indy Air. Especially if US goes under, and there would be market share for both UA and Indy to scoop up and fill airplanes at good yield.

Keith Alexander's column in the Washington Post this morning describes another kind of game that's about to begin: a very likely Summer of Delay Hell at Dulles. MWAA has shut down the east-west runway to repair it, instead of waiting six months for the winter season.

MWAA speculates that departures at IAD could close to double this summer as Indy launches, just as the airport loses a third of its runway capacity. MWAA is also worried about TSA's ability to keep lines to 10 minutes as well. TSA says they will have "hundreds" of additional screeners at IAD this summer, but we've heard that before. Maybe INS can stiff Dulles on customs officials too like they did last year, and create even more fun.

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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:14 pm

Actually UALFAson, the fair city of Binghampton will continue to see the overpriced prop service of UNITED Express, not the frequent, low fare jet service of Independence Air.

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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:19 pm

I say bring on IAir... UA downgraded RDU bring all RJ service.. including RJ to Denver. Perhaps, with IAir in RDU, UAL will look at RDU differently. If not, we get another airline here for more choices! And with RDU servicing 65% of NC and Southern VA, choices are good.. LOL
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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:42 pm

DCA-ROC:

MWAA couldn't wait until the winter to close 12/30. There are times when that runway must be used for arrivals (due to strong winds from the northwest that would exceed the crosswind limitation on most aircraft landing on the 1s). The vast majority of those times are during the Winter and Spring.
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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:26 am

If IA isn't going to announce their destinations until next month, then how long will it take for them to set up their gates/presence at those airports?
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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:09 am

Erj170 - The vast majority of the gate space Independence Air will initially use is already ACA's. We will however do remodeling, expected to take about 3 months. Here's a press release from about a week ago.


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Independence Air Terminal Renovations At Washington Dulles And Other Airports To Be Performed By McClier
Dulles Operation Will Become America’s Largest Low-Fare Hub This Summer


Dulles, VA, (April 20, 2004) – Independence Air and parent company Atlantic Coast Airlines Holdings, Inc. (Nasdaq: ACAI) today announced their partnership with Chicago-based design-build firm McClier for the extensive renovations of Terminals A and B at Washington Dulles International Airport, as well as projects at other selected airports across America.



The inaugural Independence Air flights are scheduled for June 16th, with more being added throughout June, July and August—quickly building to over 300 daily departures from Washington Dulles by Labor Day, creating the largest low-fare hub in America.



Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Kerry Skeen said, “This summer we’ll be doing something no other airline has ever done—completely upgrading our hub facilities and airport stations in 35 communities across America in a span of less than three months. It’s a big job, but we are confident that we’ve chosen the right partners to meet this demanding schedule. The McClier team has created designs for our Independence Air terminals, ticket counters and gate areas that will convey our new brand and identity as the low-fare airline that will make travel faster and easier for customers.”



McClier is a wholly-owned subsidiary of AECOM, a 17,000 employee-owned architecture and engineering company with offices in more than 30 countries. McClier will be providing architectural, engineering and construction services, in association with Arlington, Virginia-based DMJM Design, another AECOM company. DMJM Design is known for their creative designs and professional architectural services to airlines and airports across the nation and around the world. Recent terminal design projects include Miami International Airport, Ft. Lauderdale Airport and John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York. McClier has a well-established reputation throughout the airline industry for implementing multiple projects within scope, schedule and budget.



Independence Air service will be provided using a fleet of over 110 jet aircraft fitted with new slimline leather seats, including at least 27 new 132-passenger Airbus 319s with over 20 channels of live satellite TV available at every seat. The Airbus planes—which are scheduled to launch in November—will allow Independence Air to offer coast-to-coast low-fare service to destinations in Florida, the Midwest and West Coast.



The “preview” website for Independence Air is available now at www.FLYi.com. Web visitors who sign up for membership to the iCLUB will receive additional information about Independence Air services, and be offered the opportunity to take advantage of special offers and promotions available only to members.

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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:14 am

Okay.. No.. I meant the gates at their destination airports.. Say they fly to Albany, Providence, and Tampa.. how long will it take them to prepare those gates for IA if they are only going to give a month's notice of their destinations? Wouldn't the airports or IA need more time? Clue me in here, please...
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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:31 am

My reply was regarding the outstations, as well as IAD. The remodeling to take place will include 35 outstations, as outlined in the above press release. The initial phase of Independence Air will be largely to cities where ACA currently holds the gate space. There will be some new ones as well. How long it takes to get airport space I have no idea, I guess it varys in each city. I know its not going to take any time at all in PIT, as there are several empty gates. Knowing ACA management, these new leasses are probably a done deal, just waiting for the May announcement.

Hope this clears the confusion.
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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:31 am

Erj170,

My guess is that Indy Air will begin service to those outstations that are currently run by ACA employees with ACA equipment. The majority of the outstations are run by ACA, with a few run by UAL.

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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:34 am

So, say here at RDU, there are about 50 ACA employees, but there is only one gate for UAX at RDU, what would ACA do? Get another gate? Or would UAX have to move to another gate?
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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:40 am

As far as who owns gate rights, I have no idea...should be interesting, though.

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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:45 am

I think it depends who holds the lease in RDU. RDU used to be a United station, so United may very well hold the lease for that gate. In this case, it would be up to Independence Air to get its own gate. If there are none available, the next option would be to subcontract the space with another airline there. Independence Air would idealy like its own gate space, but there may be no other option in some places.

In the case of RDU, however, it may be more desirable to sublease gate space from AA, because they have a lot of space (all gates in term. C?), which means more breathing room for Independence Air. Terminal C is also a lot nicer than the other terminal.
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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:55 am

true.. there are 2 free gates at Terminal C that American doesn't use.. And they currently have them set up for something.. They have cones out there.. and stairs for exiting planes out there.. seems lke they may be getting ready for something.. I think it will be GREAT to have another airline at Terminal C besides American.

As for the other half of terminal C (Gates 1-11), it has been boarded off in preparation for destruction in 2 or 3 months, I believe. They are working on the apron currently, saw them lying some asphalt or something today.. I know AA will be happy not to have to do the obstacle course to get to runway 23R...
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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:35 am

UAX will move over to Terminal C mid May. It will be an Air Wisconsin
operated station. that will probably handle Air Canada as well.
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RE: UAL Vs. Indy Air...Let The Games Begin

Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:41 am

Hmmm.. interesting.. That's not quite a good move, though.. considering they need the closeness to USAirways for their codeshare.. Will UAX use both gates (21 and 22) or just one? Neither has a jetway so I guess they aren't planning on bringing any mainline back, huh?

I also noticed AA gave up gate 20 to Charter Express?
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