scottysair
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Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:56 am

Hi Guys,

I just want to know about answer with all of those question for me. Is that still for 30 mins rules to/from DCA flight, right? It make sure they will remain with the seated all of the times and it is for during with 30 mins rules to DCA flight. If got problems off the seat and Air Marshals will tell you to sit down. If they will get trouble with them and could get arrested for that, right? Well, talk ya later!

Regards!
 
CAL
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:06 am

The 30 min rule is still in full effect, and I believe it will remain in effect. Also FAM's usually will not get involved if someone simply gets up. A flight attendant will definitely yell at you to sit your rear end down immediately. On these flights if after told to sit and you continue standing or must go to the restroom or something like this The plane is automatically diverted.
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Jarek
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:15 am

BTW - what is the logic behind it?

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Jarek
 
ssides
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:35 am

The logic is based on the fact that DCA is so close to the White House, US Capitol, and the Pentagon. When planes approach DCA from the north, all of these landmarks are clearly visible, and a hijacked plane could easily appear to be approaching normally before making a sudden turn into one of these buildings. The 30-minute rule is a safeguard -- if anyone stands up, divert immediately before any hijack can take place. Personally, I don't know how effective this is, but I understand the argument. This was the price we paid to have DCA reopened. Remember, it was closed long after all other airports reopened; there was serious talk at the FAA and Secret Service about closing it permanently (although I don't think that would have ever happened, due to DCA's political clout).
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aviationwiz
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:37 am

I remember asking the question elsewhere before joining, and when I joined here I didn't ask! I was always wondering if this was true. Thanks a million all!
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Jarek
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:52 am

I just see no time difference between:

a) standing up/hijacking/diverting
b) already standing up/hijacking/diverting

Well, but may be it's just me  Smile

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Jarek
 
scottysair
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:29 am

I just want answer with your question to me, please? I am still want to know about make sure they will remain with the seat for 30 mins rule, right? I know all about with those information come from. Make sure will stay in the seat all of the times during for 30 mins rule from DCA flight and because it is restriction with the restroom are not allowed go there either.

Regards!
 
CAL
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:42 am

We dont really understand what you are asking then?
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AmtrakGuy
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:46 am

Scott,

Yes, the rule is still on for anyone to stay in their seat -- 30 minutes after take off from DCA or 30 minutes before landing DCA. If you get up by mistake, the plane will be diverse to Dulles Airport and you will be interview by FBI.

Hope this help.
Dave
 
n844aa
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:49 am

Everyone seems to be pretty clear on this point, but if a passenger stands up, is that really an immediate diversion? It sounds like it.

Also, how many times have planes been diverted since its been in effect?
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Cory6188
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:30 am

So does that mean that on a flight from EWR-DCA, people would never be able to get out of their seats?
 
deltaffindfw
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:39 am


From the stories that I have read, it is not an immediate diversion anymore. The FA will ask the pax to sit down and only if they don't comply after repeated attempts, will they divert the plane.

Cory - that is correct. I flew LGA-DCA about a year ago and they told us in the boarding area that we should go to the bathroom at the airport since we wouldn't be able to get up.
 
phollingsworth
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:50 am

Of course the lack of a 30 min rule on flights to IAD and BWI makes the whole thing pointless. The difference in flying time between these airports and the approaches to DCA is such that you either have to shoot down any aircraft that violates the rules or you are going to miss a high percentage of any real threats. I guess in the end it is there to "make you feel safe."
 
scottysair
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:09 pm

Incorrect!! It is not used with their 30 mins rule to BWI & IAD either. It is only for used with DCA flight.
 
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:38 pm

It goes back to the fact that DCA is walking distance to the Pentagon and a fifteen minute taxi ride to the Capital building.

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jhooper
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:53 pm

It's a dumb rule if you ask me. At speeds that jets fly, you're basically talking about having everyone confined to their seats from a distance of 250+ miles from DCA. Why doesn't making everyone sit down whenever the seatbelt sign would normally come on provide adaquate protection??
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Skymonster
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:34 pm

Flew PHL-DCA and return last year with US Airways... They said at the gate, and during boarding and taxi out that no one would be able to use the rest room at all during the entire flight. However, several people did use the rest room and non of the flight attendants made any attempts to stop them. Seems like a pointless rule to me, because my experiences suggest its not rigourously enforced.

Andy
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ssides
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RE: Is That Continues For 30 Mins Rules To DCA?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:07 pm

I was on a DFW-DCA flight in the summer of 2002 where we were diverted to IAD. The plane taxied to an isolated place on the ramp, cop cars surrounded it, and two police boarded and took the offending passenger off. We then headed to DCA, arriving about 45 minutes late.

I have heard from several friends that the rule is more vigorously enforced on inbound flights than outbound flights. I think the rule will remain in place, but enforcement will occur only in more egregious situations.
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