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TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:46 am

A security screener at DIA has been charged with theft of $400. This is the second incident of theft of customer's property by a TSA employee at DIA in 2004.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/travelgetaways/3247376/detail.html

Anybody remember the story coming out a few months ago about a security screener at DIA X-raying himself last summer because he wanted to see "What he looked like inside?"

Before security at U.S. airport was federalized you had the lowest common denominator working screening. Now that they are federalized, they are still the lowest common denominator except now they are federal employees. *sigh* Idiots...

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:50 am

Man oh Man...

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:50 am

What do to expect when you hire for minimum wage?
 
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:52 am

Bravo, TSA employees. You're making air travel less and less appealing.

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:53 am

Actually, TSA screeners make much more than minimum wage. According to the TSA web site, they start out at $11.30 per hour and can make as much as $17 per hour.
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:53 am

The guy had USD 1,000 cash in his wallet. Highly unusual in this age of credit cards.
 
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:57 am

The other thing that amazes me is that the employee was "disciplined". In the world of government employees (which I deal with everyday in my job) that translates to "nothing significant was done to punish him/her".

This person should be fired.

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:14 am

Well I guess this means that TSA has immunity from following any laws that the rest of must follow??
Hmmmm, from the TSA employee website I think I remember that the only way they can get fired is to let a breach of security become their fault....otherwise these now "federal employees" are free to not only treat you like second class citzens but steal from you if they should so desire...
Thank you President Bush!!

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:17 am

Sadly, this has turned into a chant of "they're all guilty" .

Remember, there are THOUSANDS of security agents and screeners out there. Most of them do their job as best they can, completely unappreciated by the travelling public. There are bad apples in every job, but one does not spoil the whole bunch.

Keep in mind also the thousands of pairs of scissors, knives, and other legitimately unacceptable items that passengers "just forgot" they had with them.

The next time you're going through security, remind yourself that these people may have been on the job a long time that day, dealing with people who want to argue and berate them. Put yourself in their shoes...they've seen thousands of ordinary people, any of whom could be a threat. They'd just as soon you moved on as quickly as possible anyway.

IF you have a bad experience, as the victim in Denver did, you have avenues of justice. But please, remember, most of them are simply trying to do their job. The quicker they have completed their inspection, the quicker you can move on.
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:27 am

TSA = Terminally Stupid Agency.

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:36 am

Doing their job? Stealing cash from passengers is not part of their job description, I'm afraid. Having this happen at DEN twice now really makes the entire cadre of screeners look like a real bunch of imbeciles just because of the couple sneaky sacks of puss who decided to abuse their jobs and do this kind of thing. Having to deal with impatient passengers and search thousands of bags per day for remotely dangerous objects in NO way makes it okay to swipe cash out of the wallets of passengers as they go through the metal detectors.

As Tom Daschle said, "You don't professionalize unless you federalize." What B.S.

As a general rule, all of us should check our hand luggage and wallets once it goes through security.

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:38 am

Thank you President Bush!!

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Excuse me, but it was Tom Daschle and his rabble who insisted on politicizing this particular issue and making these people federal employees. Bush wanted to keep them private but eventually caved.

Not that it matters - there's still all kind of holes in the hiring process for people with access to the aircraft and restricted areas.

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:39 am

Mike Boyd is really going to have a field day on this one . . . . . . .


For you not familiar with Mr.Boyd, check out this site next week:
http://www.aviationplanning.com/asrc1.htm

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:39 am

If it is any help to anyone. Long before 9/11 I have never carried cash in my wallet. The money and wallet are carried in the front pocket only. Money is folded and smallest denomination always on top. If I carry extra cash, it is in two bundles. One in front of the wallet, one behind. The one with the largest amount closest to my body, (memory technique), you do not have to put paper money in the trays. Correct me if I am wrong about that.
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:44 am

Anyone that deals with baggage service at an airport on a regular basis can tell you this is not an isolated event. I have always been in favor of increased screening of baggage, however there are a few screeners that (like a small number of other airport employees) have found a way to use their position to pilfer from checked luggage.

Airlines can analyze baggage reports and customer complaints to determine where there is a problem. If there is a spike related to a specific shift at a certain airport they can see the need for some increased oversight. I wonder if the TSA does the same, given what I've seen I doubt they do.

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:10 am

Av8rDAL

Please read the post again that you replied to from PanAm747. It never says doing the job included stealing but was trying to say that one individual succumed to a stupid choice.

Oh, and you might read the original post again as well - it was DIA not DEN.

Sorry but I had stick up for that poster.

Now I would like you all to understand a wave of dread and fear that swept through all the serious career ramp employees what handle your bags every day when they heard that passengers were being advised to not lock them. These are the folks that often say to each other that their is nothing in a bag that he/she would risk their jobs, retirement, and self esteem for.

Now they saw and feared that every time a bag was left open they could be suspected of theft whether anything was actually missing or not. The passengers could see this as a free ticket to sue or ask for compensation. All they had to do was say "It's missing" They also thought about the new wave of contractor handlers making minimum wage and could be much less worried about the same things the actual carriers handlers were.

I've read here many times that some "airline enthusiasts" have very little regard for the people that make it happen. That's something I cannot understand but now those same people have yet another cloud to work under.

Please use the releasable TSA approved locks that are being sold. Please.
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:13 am

When I was in Denver last summer, as I went through the metal detector the TSA person gave me a speech about how "sensitive" Denver's machines were and said that they had detected gunpowder on my body. (huh?????????) A second screening by a different person revealed absolutly nothing on me, and she remarked that she didn't know what the first person had seen.

When I talked to screeners in San Diego about this about a week ago (subject came up since my cellphone hadn't set off the metal detector when I walked through with it but did when the screener put only the phone through) and they had no idea what the Denver people could have seen.

I think its just incompetence in Denver. And, I must say, that here in the SF Bay Area, the screeners have gotten much better since the TSA took over. They now speak English, know what is going on, and are mostly polite, none of which I can say for the screeners pre-September 11th.

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:35 am

The TSA was also stealing stuff in DTW.

http://www.detnow.com/wxyz/nw_local_news/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15924_2844497,00.html

Stories like this really give them credibility (NOT), especially with all of the hype on airport security.

 
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:11 am

Regis, so what !? That hardly means that anybody has the right to take the money !
 
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:19 pm

M404, the airport to which the article refers, DIA, is Denver International Airport. I used the IATA airport identifier "DEN" in my post. Both DIA and DEN refer to the same facility, DIA being the more "civilian" of the two acronyms.

Also, the tone of PanAm747's post, to me, sounded rather sympathetic towards the TSA, as if this behavior is just going to happen and we should not be surprised or upset. My opinion is that such sympathy and indifference is absolutely not the way to deal with these incidents. TSA is one of the most vital parts of our national security and there is absolutely no reason to tolerate such foolishness within the ranks of our security screeners who hold such an important job.

The offending person(s) should be fired immediately. Period.
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:36 pm

I always enjoy reading the TSA bashers on the board. As soon as one isolated incident happens, lets blame every single screener in the system. As with every job you always will have bad apples. TSA is not exactly an easy job to get, you have to go through a long process to just get trained. The majority of employees are able to perform the job to the best of their ability. As others have said, TSA has it so easy. I strongly disagree, dealing with the general public is not easy... Most travelers dont say a thing and just want to get on their flight which is why they let the screeners do their job in keeping our skies safe. When there is an irate passenger, it slows not only that persons time going through security but everyone else's. They are only doing their job with what they are presented with aka the general public. I'm not condoning stealing, but one person doesn't pass on their bad habits on the thousands of screeners that work everyday.
 
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:58 pm

Um, forgive me, but isolated incident?
 
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:29 pm

I am sorry, but so many of you, in your feeble attempts to jump on your anti-administration bandwagons, are complete and utter morons. Not one person here excused or condoned the actions of this thief. They merely pointed out that the actions of a few cannot be translated into an indictment of an entire organization. If we followed that kind of pig logic, then we are all lazy, incompentent thieves because there are at least some in any career field or profession that are just that. If there are a few bad apples in your office, does that mean your whole company, including you, is a rotting, festering cesspool? Probably not. We have a lot of know-it-alls on here that have lots of criticism but offer absolutely nothing in the way of solutions.

Agreed, however, that such sacks of filth should be made public examples of to both discourage such behavior by others in the future, and to enhance public condifence in the majority of screeners who are there to do a job.
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:30 pm

While no one here excused or condoned their actions, I think anyone that works for an airline will tell you, again, this is not an isolated event.

As someone with access to my company's data about TSA pilferage, I can without a doubt say that there is just as much a problem within the TSA as there is in normal baggage handling in regards to pilferage.

I've seen emails from most of the operations managers at our hubs, complaining about laziness and complacency with TSA screeners. Sure, most of them think they are doing a great job, but how many of them have ever worked at the airport before 9/11.
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:21 pm

I accidentally left $20 in my checked in baggage, which was dumb of me cause it was stolen. One time I was controlling the video camera in the terminal at PVD and the one TSA agent was literally twiddling his thumbs, no lie.
 
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:29 pm

One time, I stood at the head of the check-in line and waited...and waited....while the check-in agent stood talking to a friend, with her head turned towards the side with her head resting on her hand so that she made it plain she was not paying attention to the line until her personal conversation was completed. Another time, they put someone else's baggage claim stickers on my bags because they were too busy talking to pay attention to what they were doing. Therefore, ALL such airline employees are lazy, good-for-nothing oafs...literally.... *cue eye roll*

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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:41 pm

Cwapilot,

I have had the same experience as you had with the lazy airline employees. And that was in MCO last year. She really pissed me of. people like that shouldn't work in the service industry. I am an airline employee my self. And I know If I did that I would get fired right away..
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Fri Apr 30, 2004 4:40 am

Cwapilot: Just the fact that TSA screeners are government employees automatically puts them in a different category than anyone else that works at the airport.

You can roll your eyes all you want but I know that delays and damaged bags due to the TSA cost at least my airline tens of thousands of dollars a day.
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RE: TSA Screener At DIA Steals $400 From Passenger

Fri Apr 30, 2004 4:59 am

Absolutely. There are bad apples and there are Federal Employees. One single bad event (which this isn't, more like 4th or 5th), from a government agency is inexcusable and unacceptable. I'm sorry that's the way I feel.

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