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Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:57 am

According to the SATA Air Azores website, there is a weekly flight from Ponta Delgada to Providence. I had no idea ANY european airlines served PVD. What is the market between P D and PVD?

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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:59 am

They also appear to fly from Terceira to Oakland!!!!

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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:01 am

Large populations of Azorean immigrants and their descendents in both Rhode Island and California.
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:05 am

Perhaps the Azores could begin developing itself as a mid-Atlantic hub?

North American flights could fly in there and then one could fly on to Portugal, the rest of Southern Europe, Middle-East etc. I know these services still exist without having to stop on an island in the middle of the Atlantic; more likely a cold island in the North-East Atlantic (ah-hum, UK?) but an Azorean hub could serve the smaller North American cities, and/or similar European cities where direct trans-Atlantic services wouldn't be practical.

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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:20 am

Should also be noted that, unless it changed, SATA International flies the A310-300 to Boston-Logan
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:48 am

According to amadeus' schedule, SATA at the moment flies only to BOS & YYZ.
PVD, YUL and OAK are served only during summer.

[Edited 2004-04-29 03:55:59]
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:58 am

S4 currently offers seasonal saturday only A310-300 service between PVD and PDL. The flights are already booked full from what I've been told. There is a HUGE Portuguese/Azorean immigrant/decendant population in several towns/cities in the PVD catchment area that make this service extremely popular. The BOS service simply grabs the year round traffic that would normally use PVD as I know for a fact that most BOS passengers drive up from our catchment area. Air Luxor (LK) had previously offered duplicate service on a 370 seat A330-200 from PVD but was unable to provide the aircraft for the PVD run this year - hence S4's immediate sell-out of PVD flights. As to not let out any "unconfirmed" info - don't be surprised if S4 lengthens the June-Sep PVD schedule to year round or even more...
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 4:40 pm

There are large communities of Portuguese (mainly Azore Islanders) up and down the Central Valley of California, not just in the Bay Area.

Those flights are packed in the summertime too. I've seen the check-in for one, and the line just snakes around Terminal 1 at OAK.
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:39 pm

It seems that these flights are not aimed at connecting pax from Europe - rather at pax travelling to/from the Acores only - if you sell these flights with connections to Europe, you cannot quote the fare directly - you have to quote the US-Acores as one r/t fare and the Acores-Europe as a seperate r/t, which works out very very expensive. But I guess if they can fill them up without connecting traffic, SATA won't care...
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:45 pm

A3192021 wrote:

"Perhaps the Azores could begin developing itself as a mid-Atlantic hub?"

It would be a pitty turning a small island into an aviation hub (even for an aviation lover like myself). Like MRU, SEZ, MLE etc, islands are too fragile and need to be very careful with their emvironment. Plus, it wouldn't bring as much revenue as point-to-point flying.
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:09 pm


Hi!

Just to give a little bit of history on Azores and azorean aviation. In USA most of the portuguese people you see there are mainly from Azores. In the past and specially during the dictator Salazar Azores was completely neglected by Portugal, the best way for them was to emigrate to USA.... they preffered that then to go to Portugal, because they speak portuguese with accent they new that in Portugal people would make fun of them and their accent. I was on study leave during 2003 in Fresno and I saw big portuguese communities from Azores, places like Hanford, Madera or Modesto have many portuguese, and their business is cattle.
Now about SATA, this airline was formed in late 40's with 2 C-47's and 2 DH Doves to fly inter-island services. Latter they evoluted to the HS748 and also after the revolution they received a few ex: Portuguese Air Force DC-6's that were used also to fly between the islands but also to Lisbon. In 1987 during a period they used a BA146-100 with PSA basic livery to make proving flights but they never operated that plane, they opted instead for the ATP. When TAP stopped flying some routes in the North Atlantic like Boston and Toronto SATA applied and that's why we see them now making all those flights.
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:17 pm

CV990,

You my boy. Your always one to stick to the topic. Thanks for the awesome info...Im Portuguese and near Boston....lots of us geese around here. I flew SATA from Boston in 2000 on the A310.

What a great flight: on-time, clean, friendly staff! Big grin

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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:34 pm

What equipment does SATA use for the California flights? What is the passenger configuration on their A310-300s? Is it high density seating?
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:17 pm

John,
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:03 am

Is the A310-3 the biggest plane they have currently? I seem to recall seeing a photo of a SATA A330?? I could be wrong...
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:23 am

John

A310 is the biggest plane SATA has. They have 2 A310's, 3 B737-300 and some ATR's (I guess) that fly betweenthe islands.
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:16 am

S4 took delivery of thier 3rd A310-300 last year/late 2002...
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:44 am

Yah it had me wondering, but their is a huge immigrant population in New England, and TF green is a great/convenient airport, makes more sense than Logan if they had to pick between the two.
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:13 pm


Hi AirPortugal310!

Glad to know that you're portuguese!!!! Maybe we'll meet one day in Boston, I have good friends there and actually I flew to that marvelous airport in August 1998 from London-Heathrow. We flew a BA 747-200 G-BDXG and it was great to land, lots of water almost until we touch the runway. We aproached the airport from the left, did a great a very tight right turn and a great landing. I remember that when we landed a few minutes before a Swissair 747-300 landed too. I really feel sad that TP stopped flying to BOS, they used to land there with the good old 707.
We'll keep in touch!
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:49 pm

WAAAAIIIIT! Air Luxor wont be coming to PVD this summer?! So the A310 of SATA will be our only European representation this season?  Crying
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Sat May 01, 2004 1:25 am

CV:

They used to fly the Seven Oh to Boston? Thats sweet! I was doing a search the other day online here and saw their 747's they had back in the day!

I am sad that TAP left Boston, they should come back with the A340! I cannot even tell you how many people would flock through here...having to go threw EWR like I did in December was a pain in the royal arse. Plus having a direct flight to Lisboa would attract many people, because mainland Portuguese people are all about the non-stop flying!

Yeah dude...Logan is the worlds number one airport. Say what you will everybody....I know thats highly debate-able....but to me, its home Big grin
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Sat May 01, 2004 1:37 am

Huge Portugese/Azorean population in the Providence/Boston area as well as in Oakland. North American Airlines operates the BOS and OAK routes to the Azores in conjunction with Azores Express. Flights are always full, especially in the summer, no connecting passengers here, everyone is pretty much heading back home to visit friends and relatives in the Azores.
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Fri May 07, 2004 9:50 pm

Air Luxor (LK) had previously offered duplicate service on a 370 seat A330-200 from PVD but was unable to provide the aircraft for the PVD run this year

Sorry to dig up a corpse, but I heard from a Yahoo member that lives in Ponta Delgada that Air Luxor will in fact be serving PVD this summer with their A330. It's apparently being advertised on Azorean television. He was also informed enough to mention that there's a good chance it could go scheduled as early as Jan 05...as soon as LK is able to provide a LIS-PDL flight that would time well enough to continue onto PVD.
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Fri May 07, 2004 10:01 pm

By the way, we are welcoming SATA in ZRH soon !!!!
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Fri May 07, 2004 10:31 pm


Hi!

You'll probably see their 737-400's and maybe with a little luck the A310-300!
Good luck!
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Sat May 08, 2004 11:24 pm

Hey Mike,

Air Luxor will NOT be serving PVD in 04. The service was announced, tickets were even sold, but the pogram was shelved because of Air Luxor's inability to confirm the entire 19 week schedule. The tour operator pulled the plug for 04. They seemed very driven to return in 05...
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Sun May 09, 2004 12:35 am

Don't forget that Suntrips uses North American Airlines for the Azores trips as well.
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Sun May 09, 2004 6:41 am

Just spotted SATA the first time today in ZRH during work... they use the
737-400 and are the route is zürich-ponta delgada-funchal.... and plane was good booked !
 
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RE: Sata Air Azores To Providence?

Sun May 09, 2004 6:53 am

>A310 is the biggest plane SATA has. They have 2 A310's, 3 B737-300 and >some ATR's (I guess) that fly betweenthe islands.

They have:
3x A310
1x A320 (received 1 week ago)
2x B734
1x B733
4x BAe ATP
1x Dornier 228